[Christen113]

I actually use that when I am approached in public and they express that they are interested in buying doodles (usually after saying they love Goldens, but the hair). I say, “Oh, you must love poodles then”. They usually respond with a not really or sometimes that the do not like them at all. Then I respond that it is interesting they are looking for a mix breed that they are not excited about both breeds involved in the mix. I also suggest rescuing at that point.

I then mentioned that both breed clubs are against the mix, most mix breeders have to source their stock from mills and to research the health testing that should be done on both breeds since they have things likehip Dysplasia and epilepsy in common.

I am sure I am a ray of light. :wink2:

If they say that own Doodles I don’t say much. If they say they breed Doodles, watch out.:grin2:

I laughed out loud over being a ray of light hahaha. It is really interesting that doodle people generally think they don’t want a poodle. Perplexing!

 

[GoldenCamper]

The doodlers I've met have been less than what I would want in a dog whether F1 or this or that. All dogs are good but the ones I've met have the IQ of a hamster. No offense to hamsters

You want a a mutt get a mutt. I am not against that unless you pay thousands of dollars for one.

 

[Goldens&Friesians]

I have never been asked if my golden was a doodle, but I do get asked if she's a lab or a puppy. She is a 50 lb golden and there are zero good breeders in my immediate area, so I think people are used to the ginormous goldens and then think one that's breed standard size must be a puppy. I find it interesting that when you meet people out and about and they ask you "is that a golden?" they always then have to reply in a superior tone, "I have a doodle." As a groomer, I absolutely DREAD seeing a doodle on my schedule-they are worse than poodles to groom. At least with poodles, people tend to know they need grooming, with doodles they wait til the dog is matted to the skin and then they get mad when you say its in the dog's best interest to shave it. Their temperaments seem very unpredictable-I've groomed maybe 1 or 2 with nice, steady temperaments; the rest are really iffy-several are biters. I agree that the majority of them seem to be as dumb as rocks. A friend of mine wants to get her kids a dog and she wants something that doesn't shed and she is really interested in doodles. I told her all the problems and lies doodle breeders will feed her, but she still is interested in a doodle. When I asked why she doesn't just get a standard poodle she said its because she doesn't like the way they look. ??? If you ask me, doodles like a heap more like a poodle (albeit and ugly poodle) than a golden! Shoot, I can groom a poodle and make it look like a doodle if you want (not sure why anyone would want a dog to look like a doodle, but to each his own)! Another distant acquaintance has a doodle that she just bred to a poodle and she wants $1800 for the pups-ridiculous beyond belief! I paid less than that for my purebred golden from generations of clearances and CH's and GCH's and CD's and other performance titles, plus I had a pretty good idea of how she would look and what her temperament would be-you don't get any of those things with a doodle. As Good As Gold golden rescue in IL just had 3 doodles adopted out-for $450-go rescue one rather than grossly over-pay for one! Sorry for the rant in response to the rant, the doodle thing is a sore spot for me, lol!

 

[Christen113]

I have never been asked if my golden was a doodle, but I do get asked if she's a lab or a puppy. She is a 50 lb golden and there are zero good breeders in my immediate area, so I think people are used to the ginormous goldens and then think one that's breed standard size must be a puppy. I find it interesting that when you meet people out and about and they ask you "is that a golden?" they always then have to reply in a superior tone, "I have a doodle." As a groomer, I absolutely DREAD seeing a doodle on my schedule-they are worse than poodles to groom. At least with poodles, people tend to know they need grooming, with doodles they wait til the dog is matted to the skin and then they get mad when you say its in the dog's best interest to shave it. Their temperaments seem very unpredictable-I've groomed maybe 1 or 2 with nice, steady temperaments; the rest are really iffy-several are biters. I agree that the majority of them seem to be as dumb as rocks. A friend of mine wants to get her kids a dog and she wants something that doesn't shed and she is really interested in doodles. I told her all the problems and lies doodle breeders will feed her, but she still is interested in a doodle. When I asked why she doesn't just get a standard poodle she said its because she doesn't like the way they look. ??? If you ask me, doodles like a heap more like a poodle (albeit and ugly poodle) than a golden! Shoot, I can groom a poodle and make it look like a doodle if you want (not sure why anyone would want a dog to look like a doodle, but to each his own)! Another distant acquaintance has a doodle that she just bred to a poodle and she wants $1800 for the pups-ridiculous beyond belief! I paid less than that for my purebred golden from generations of clearances and CH's and GCH's and CD's and other performance titles, plus I had a pretty good idea of how she would look and what her temperament would be-you don't get any of those things with a doodle. As Good As Gold golden rescue in IL just had 3 doodles adopted out-for $450-go rescue one rather than grossly over-pay for one! Sorry for the rant in response to the rant, the doodle thing is a sore spot for me, lol!

Totally agree!! I think poodles look much better. I was just googling—people are paying THREE THOUSAND here for “Australian labradoodles” around Houston. Naturally I emailed to see about health testing because there wasn’t any on the website. I’ll admit-she had a cute little of black and white ones (and despite my love of goldens, I’m a sucker for black and white) but the adults are fairly awful. I don’t understand why people don’t go for the standard poodles or PWDs myself.

I’m going to start calling them “go poos” instead of goldendoodles. Hahaha.

 

[Goldens&Friesians]

I’m going to start calling them “go poos” instead of goldendoodles. Hahaha.

"Go poos" LOL! I love it! I always write them in as golden/poodles mixes on my grooming client cards because I hate to call them goldendoodles like they are an actual breed. I may have to start writing "go poos" now though! LOL!!

 

[Gleepers]

We have a 4-H kid with a 7 year old doodle that has won a fair amount of titles. Nice dog.
Not fond of the way they look. Sort of like a funky sheep dog or something. And the coat looks like it would be a pain to upkeep. Much more work than running the brush through Penny.
Our trainer has a standard poodle. Not fond of the poodle look but a very nice dog, if a bit of a spaz. I?d do that over a doodle any day.
We have what we believe may be a Tibetan Spaniel/ Golden mix. Thought he may have been a chi/golden when he was a pup but now deffinatly heavy on the Tibetian. Lovely little pooch, super smart. A few issues as he was a rescue but coming along well. Seems to have the good temperament qualities of both breeds. If you ever see a breeder of said mix in say 20 years it may be my son, he is pretty in love with his dog. He is a good match for Penny.

 

[DevWind]

Oh my gosh, what a super cute little girl! Honestly she looks like a Golden puppy with a perm Sounds like she got all the best traits of both gene pools.

Christen, your puppy is just gorgeous - I can't imagine how people thing doodle when they see her. I guess she will just have to be the "Golden Ambassador" in your town.

I have several friends in my neighborhood with doodles. Nobody is pretentious about it - almost all of them just wanted a good family dog of a smaller size that wouldn't shed. They want the Golden personality in a smaller package without the shedding.

What strikes me is that all these bright, educated people didn't think through the process of genetics, you don't get to pick and choose which traits you get. They honestly bought into the idea that you can somehow choose the poodle coat but not the poodle personality/temperament etc. I will also say that pretty much none of the people have the interest or time to really give these dogs the level of training and engagement they need to be easy to live with. The Doodles I know do have more temperament issue than I would have expected.

I understand why the average person would not want a poodle, every poodle I know is either a handful or a bit of a pill with a lot of, um, personality, I guess would be the term. The only one I know I would want is a tiny toy who is about 2 years old and will snuggle and let you dress her up in costumes - so fun It's just funny to me that people don't want a poodle but line up to pay big money for poodle mixes.

I owned a poodle for 13 years. While he was a great dog, I swear I will never own another one though. For the last year or two of his life, I took him to the groomer and stayed close while they groomed him because they didn’t want the responsibility of dealing with a health emergency. He had a heart problem and required meds and rx food. The worst part was just telling them to shave everything so he could go a little longer between haircuts. He loved being a frou-frou dog and always liked having his hair did.

 

[Anne Y.]

Like some of the other posters here, I've also been asked what breed Bodhi is-once by another golden owner. The golden owner who asked about his breed had a ginormous golden that is nowhere near breed standard as far as weight goes-I'd guess the dog was 110 pounds and was white as a cloud. Beautiful dog for sure, but when I replied that Bodhi was indeed a golden and that he was 7 months old and still growing, the owner seemed to doubt me. A part of me wanted to reply to her that just because her dog is practically a polar bear with a head the size of Texas and our dogs look quite different does not mean my 7 month old, 50 pound puppy is any less golden. I've also had someone assume he is a doodle because his back hair is wavy. It's all a tad annoying.

Anyways, I find it absurd what people will pay for a doodle. 1800? 3 GRAND? For chrissakes.

 

[Anele]

The general population is, understandably, ill-informed about dog breeds. We have the "adopt, don't shop" slogan as our main public awareness campaign. There are very few benched dog shows, and when I attended shows before we ever entered with our own dog, I felt like I was intruding on a private event. (To an extent, I still do!) We know the supply/demand for quality purebred dogs is not balanced. Good breeders are often too busy taking care of their dogs and working to have time to educate the public. The AKC site isn't what it could be. We expect price to be some reflection of quality, and "designer" dogs are expensive. So how is the public supposed to be educated? This is a pickle.

Anyway, my biggest issue with goldendoodles is that they aren't a breed. There is no breed standard, consistency, maintenance of records, code of ethics, etc. And "breeders" aren't working towards any of this. At least Australian Labradoodle breeders are making an effort to become a recognized breed. I give them credit for that.

http://www.australianlabradoodleclub.us/
https://www.grca.org/about-the-breed/articles/goldendoodles-grcas-position/

 

[Meekas mom]

wow!

I can't believe what I'm reading here, although I shouldn't be surprised. Do you know how you all sound? I actually have one of each. A gorgeous Golden Retriever (the reason I have been coming to this site) a lovely Standard Poodle, and the sweetest Goldendoodle you will ever meet and no I'm not a breeder. You simply cannot generalize dogs by a few people's experiences. You aren't just generalizing doodles but pure bred standard poodles as well. My standard is the most wonderful, smart, loyal dog! He loves his people and other dogs, is totally chill and just wants to please. My doodle is sweet, intuitive, funny as hell, and very smart, my golden is beautiful, loving, needy and stubborn, and I adore them all. My doodles parents were both health tested and had wonderful temperaments. All dogs have value and I realize you love "your breed" but you sound quite snobby. Just as you are offended when people think your dog is a mix I am offended that you assume based on limited experience that my dog is an unintelligent spaz! I won't be back here.

 

[laprincessa]

I can't believe what I'm reading here, although I shouldn't be surprised. Do you know how you all sound? I actually have one of each. A gorgeous Golden Retriever (the reason I have been coming to this site) a lovely Standard Poodle, and the sweetest Goldendoodle you will ever meet and no I'm not a breeder. You simply cannot generalize dogs by a few people's experiences. You aren't just generalizing doodles but pure bred standard poodles as well. My standard is the most wonderful, smart, loyal dog! He loves his people and other dogs, is totally chill and just wants to please. My doodle is sweet, intuitive, funny as hell, and very smart, my golden is beautiful, loving, needy and stubborn, and I adore them all. My doodles parents were both health tested and had wonderful temperaments. All dogs have value and I realize you love "your breed" but you sound quite snobby. Just as you are offended when people think your dog is a mix I am offended that you assume based on limited experience that my dog is an unintelligent spaz! I won't be back here.

This is a group of Golden Retriever lovers, not a group of Poodle lovers, who are, for the most part, offended by the hype and huge prices being asked for a mixed breed dog. No one is offended by the dogs themselves, although our groomer has said much the same things that have been said here about how the owners rarely know how to care for these dogs and they frequently have to be shaved to get rid of mats. The true snobs that I've met have been the people who announce that they paid over $2000 for their mutts (and yes, they are mutts) and that they got an F2 - most of them have no clue what that means but it sounds impressive.

I love most dogs, but if I want a mixed breed, I'll go to the shelter and pay $100. I'm also not one of the people on here who thinks that anyone who gets a Golden from anyone but their list of "reputable" breeders is worse than a doodle owner. And I still say, if you want a poodle, get a poodle. If you want a golden, get a golden.

 

[Meekas mom]

and if you want a doodle get a doodle. I know how to care for my doodles coat and most people I know who own one do too. I didn't pay 2000 for my doodle but what's it to anyone how much I paid for any of my dogs. You can justify all you want but you still sound ridiculous. A groomer who speaks like this shouldn't be working with dogs. I am a member of a poodle forum and they don't do this at all!
.

 

[kwhit]

No one is offended by the dogs themselves...

Really? Read the next quote...

I work at a dog training facility and I have yet to meet a doodle I like, and I've met a lot of them. They're all high strung and crazy and they tend to be really dumb...

So I can see where Meekas mom would be offended. I was offended and I don't even have a Doodle.

 

[Meekas mom]

Thank you kwhit

 

[myluckypenny]

I've met a couple wonderful golden doodles, and some not so great ones (just like any other breed). There was one that at 8 months old passed the CGC test, so I would definitely disagree with the stereotype that they are all dumb. My issue is, like some have mentioned, the price tag associated with completely unhealth tested parents that aren't competing and proving their dogs are excellent representatives of the breed. There was someone charging $1800 in South Dakota for a litter of goldendoodles and neither parent had any health testing. I got my purebred golden for $1500 from fully health tested parents from Champion lines. The breeder of these goldendoodles is obviously breeding purely for money so yes I have a big problem with that! That and the lies they tell the puppy buyers! There is no guarantee an F1 litter will not shed, its a total crapshoot and saying otherwise is completely dishonest.

 

[kwhit]

My issue is, like some have mentioned, the price tag associated with completely unhealth tested parents that aren't competing and proving their dogs are excellent representatives of the breed...

I agree, except for the "representatives of the breed". There is no breed standard because there is no "breed". There can be so many variations within a litter that it's virtually impossible to ever expect one. Some do testing, though, and I hope that if someone wants a Doodle, that they would support those that do.

 

[myluckypenny]

I agree, except for the "representatives of the breed". There is no breed standard because there is no "breed". There can be so many variations within a litter that it's virtually impossible to ever expect one. Some do testing, though, and I hope that if someone wants a Doodle, that they would support those that do.

I meant for first generation golden doodles, with a golden retriever and a poodle. Sorry I was not clear on that

 

[Goldens&Friesians]

@Meeka's Mom: I suppose we (or at least me) do come off sounding snobby. Sorry about that. For me personally, even though I like all dogs, there are some that I just don't like the looks of, and doodles are one of those. (In general, I don't really care for the hairy face look; so its not just doodles, its wheatons, Portugese water dogs, etc. Just my personal preference in looks.) I have no problem with people getting a doodle if that's what they really want. What I have a problem with is breeders feeding people lies and telling them whatever they want to hear in order to charge a ridiculous price. I hate seeing people get taken advantage of. And that happens in purebred dog too. And my opinion of doodle intelligence and temperament is based upon my grooming clientele. Maybe they're worse in my part of the country, but they just aren't the brightest dogs and they just don't have the steadiest dispositions. I did groom one doodle that is a child's service dog, and that is the only one I can think of that is bright and even tempered (and I've groomed a ton of doodles). So I guess I just can't help but to develop a negative opinion based on my personal experiences. And its easy to lump all dogs into a certain stereotype based on personal experiences (even if it isn't right and we try not to). Same thing goes for my experiences with pit bulls. Without going too much into it, my experiences have lead me to completely distrust pits and have an extremely negative opinion of them. I'm glad you have a smart, friendly doodle and I'm glad he has you to give him a loving home! And I'm sorry to have been one of the offensive posters.

 

[aesthetic]

So I can see where Meekas mom would be offended. I was offended and I don't even have a Doodle.

I'm truly sorry that you're offended over something I said based off of my experiences (it sounds sarcastic but I want you to know that I am really sorry you're offended). It's great that people are happy with their doodle, I'm happy for them!

However, I would really appreciate if you could let it go. I stand by what I said (again, based off of *my experiences* with doodles) but I don't appreciate being made out to be some kind of evil person for, again, stating my experiences with a doodle. I truly don't understand why you felt the need to bring up my comment, especially since I was talking about doodles that I have met in person and not the doodle you pet sat or the doodle Meekas mom owns.

 

[Altairss]

I think when Doodles first started out the people doing it had good intentions but they quickly learned that genetics doesn't exactly always do what you want. I do know some Doodle breeders that did health testing on their dogs and once they learned how few of the puppies actually were hypoallergenic started to do the testing before the puppies went home to make sure they where hypoallergenic. So many doodles ended up in our local shelters when their owners dumped them because they shed and or they caused allergic reactions. For awhile it was pretty sad how many were in our shelters and rescues and a real reason so many are frustrated its often the dogs that suffer for human greed or status.

I don't have anything against the dogs but more the thoughtless breeders that treat dogs as disposable or money sources. The temperament of the puppies goes back to the parents temperament and the socializing that was done with the puppy. if you do not start with great temperaments and structure your unlikely to get it in your puppies. And if you do not bother to properly socialize your puppies well all kinds of problems come from that And ethical breeders were absolutely not letting their dogs out to be used to create a mix breed dog so what was used to breed was often not anywhere near either the poodle standard or the golden one.