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I feed Nature's Variety Be Natural line, not the grain free Instinct line. I also sometimes feed a full meal of their instinct frozen raw food patties or I supplement with he raw medallions in with the kibble,


Some feed Fromm, Pro Plan, Royal Canin. There are a few types out there.
 

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Not mine.. I feed Kirkland Chicken and Rice and have done so for years. (by Diamond) My 6 month old Golden gets Kirkland Puppy Chicken and Rice....I will never knowingly feed a food that has corn, or food from a company that actively promotes cheap fillers. Corn is usually reserved for low tier low cost foods.
 

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I feed Royal Canin Golden Retriever Puppy and have had no issues at all. May switch to Pro Plan when I move to adult food.
 

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I feed Eukanuba Large Breed Puppy to my 11 month old after trying many different foods. Will be looking to find another food shortly as she is getting older and I've noticed that her ears are getting red and itchy since being on the Eukanuba. Might switch to PPP sensitive skin and stomach or may try something totally different.
 

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Spoiler alert..NO Facebook "research" here.
There is a bit of information about just how certain dog food companys feel about our pets vs their profits though.

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"Cancer Causing Aflatoxins Found In Dog Foods


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A recent test on dry pet food has revealed some dangerous facts about the food your dog or cat may be eating.
The Consumer Council of Hong Kong recently published the results of testing performed on nearly 40 popular pet foods. The results were a shock to many pet owners. Three popular US food manufacturers, Purina, Hill’s and AvoDerm, all had foods that were found to contain aflatoxin B1. The Hill’s food tested was cat food.
What Are Aflatoxins?

Grains such as corn, wheat, and rice, as well as nuts and legumes, are often contaminated with molds, often as a result of poor growing conditions, substandard or extended storage. Molds called aflatoxins can easily grow and produce a very potent carcinogen. Aflatoxins are very stable and even the high temperature processing involved in kibble manufacturing won’t destroy them, leaving little protection for any dog eating that food.
Purina confirmed this in a statement to the South China Morning Post. They stated that cancer-causing aflatoxins were an “unavoidable natural contaminant.” AvoDerm stated that they have since removed the corn from its formula as they believed it was the source of the aflatoxins.
Corn has become a major source of aflatoxin. Droughts in the US Midwest in recent years have caused a record amount of mold-infested crops amounting to nearly $75 million in insurance claims. In response to this surplus of corn that wasn’t safe for human consumption, the FDA increased the allowable amount of aflatoxin permitted in animal feed.
A History Of Aflatoxins And Sick Pets

The pet food industry is no stranger to product recalls due to these molds. The earliest documented aflatoxin outbreak dates back to 1974 when hundreds of stray dogs in India died after consuming aflatoxin-contaminated corn. In 1998, 55 dogs died of contaminated corn and in December 2005, over 100 dogs were killed from aflatoxin-contaminated pet food in the US.
Testing in the US also shows that apart from the recalls from high levels of aflatoxins, nearly every pet food on the market contains aflatoxins or other mold-related mycotoxins. The animal health and nutrition company Alltech analyzed 965 pet food samples and found 98% of them were contaminated with one or more mycotoxins, while 93% contained two or more mycotoxins.
Even grain-free pet foods still contain a high carbohydrate content, so there is the potential for mold spores to contaminate the kibble during storage, especially if it is exposed to a moist environment. This can also happen in your home if your kibble is stored in a moist basement or an open container.
How Do Aflatoxins Make Dogs Sick?

Cancer causing aflatoxins primarily affect the liver and dogs who eat 0.5 to 1 mg aflatoxin/kg body weight can die within days. Smaller amounts of aflatoxins, like those found in most pet food samples, can cause sub-acute symptoms including weight loss, lethargy, jaundice and even death.
Aflatoxins are also carcinogenic. They bind with DNA and cause cell mutations. Newberne and Wogan (1968) were able to produce malignant tumors in rats with less than 1 mg of aflatoxin per kg of feed.
Because eating small amounts of aflatoxins over a period of time will cause cumulative liver damage or cancerous tumors, a very small percentage of affected dogs would be reported. This means that tens of thousands of cases of liver disease and cancer could be caused by contaminated foods every year but the link would never be reported.
[Related] Skip the kibble and move to raw. Here are 10 rules that make it really easy.
That’s Not All They Found

The Consumer Council study also found some other alarming trends. Three of the US brands tested (Purina, Iams and Solid Gold) also contained melamine or cyanuric acid. These are the substances that poisoned thousands of pets in 2007.
On top of that, processed pet foods also contain other toxic ingredients including heterocyclic amines, acrylamides, and most recently discovered in dry, cooked pet foods, PBDEs (polybrominated diphenyl ethers) – a chemical used as a flame retardant. Learn more about these toxic ingredients.
Trevor Smith, a mycotoxin researcher at the University of Guelph, says “A shift in pet food ingredients is on. Instead of worrying about bacteria spoilage or disease contamination, like we have in the past, we now have to focus on removing mycotoxins.”
Cancer causing aflatoxins are harming our dogs. Pet owners should avoid any food containing corn, especially as mold infested corns are added to animal feeds. However it’s important to also remember that melamine and other harmful substances will still be in many processed foods, so feeding fresh, whole foods remains the best way to protect your pet from cancer and other diseases that processed pet foods can cause.
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[UPDATED] An Unexpected Cause Of Cancer In Dogs


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It’s estimated that over 6 million dogs die from cancer each year. More than 1 in 2 dogs will get cancer at some point.
That means you need to do whatever you can to reduce your dog’s risk …
… but, in order to prevent it, first you need to know what causes cancer in dogs.
What Causes Cancer In Dogs?

In 1981 Oxford University epidemiologists Richard Doll and Richard Peto published a report for the US Congress called The Causes of Cancer. It said that about 1/3 of human cancers were due to smoking and 1/3 were due to diet. Viruses, genetics, environment and unknown causes made up the rest.
After reviewing this research, experts at the World Cancer Research Fund said that cancer’s a largely preventable disease: “The strongest evidence indicating that food and nutrition modify the risk of cancer comes from a combination of different types of epidemiological enquiry, supported by experimental findings, and by identification of plausible biological pathways.”
So, research shows diet can be a cause of cancer in humans and changing the diet can help prevent it.
But this is talking about people …
… what does it have to do with our dogs?
Carcinogens In Dog Food

Even though the US Congress hasn’t commissioned a study of the impact of diet on cancer in dogs, there are numerous other studies that show certain diets are a problem.
After all, the carcinogenic ingredients in human food may be in your dog’s food too, especially if he eats kibble.
The most common carcinogens in commercial dog food are aflatoxins. Aflatoxins are a type of mycotoxin that come from the Aspergillus species of fungus. This means they’re a type of mold and they are the cancer-causing ingredients in dog food.
Many commercial dog foods contain grains like corn, wheat and rice. Because of poor growing conditions or poor long term storage, this mold grows on these grains pretty quickly.
Think the cooking process gets rid of this mold? It doesn’t. Aflatoxins are very stable. The high temperatures needed to process them don’t even kill them.
Here are some of the foods that are most commonly contaminated with aflatoxins:

  • Corn
  • Wheat cereals
  • Peanuts
  • Rice
  • Soybeans
  • Walnuts
  • Brazil nuts
Aflatoxins are a major problem. They can bind with DNA and cause cell mutations. If your dog eats a small amount of aflatoxins over a long period time, he becomes a high risk for cancer.
And the presence of mycotoxins in dog food isn’t a secret. Dr Max Hawkins says, “The pet food industry is no stranger to recalled products due to mycotoxins … In December 2005, 76 dogs were killed from aflatoxin-contaminated pet food in the US, causing a large recall.”
[Related] There have been a ton of product recalls for aflatoxins. Find them here.
Is Cost A Factor?

Low cost kibble is usually criticized for substandard quality. But is this low quality food the only food contaminated with aflatoxins?
Nope.
A recent study proves that aflatoxins hide out in all kinds of kibble, no matter the price.
The results are alarming to say the least:

  • Standard food – aflatoxins found in 100% of the foods tested
  • Premium food – aflatoxins found in 100% of the foods tested
  • Super premium food- aflatoxins found in 69.2% of the foods tested
 

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Without citations, it's the same as FB research.
If, you follow the rabbit trail of links throughout the articles, there are some citations eventually, but none seem to be of any major qualitative substance or even pertinent to the main point of the OP. I can link random scientific journal articles all day long to “substantiate” my research/perspective, but a discerning reader such as Prism will see right through it. The general public? Not so much normally and that’s why anyone with a website or Facebook account can convince the undiscerning reader. I see it all the time with general news stories and in my old field within the humanities.

This means Prism’s point stands firm.

However, there does seem to be a research bias by Dana Scott who happens to sell premium supplements for those who feed raw. Imagine that. ?‍♂?‍♂

The takeaway is this: be very careful what you believe to be “fact.” Fear mongering as a tactic has led many to false beliefs.
 

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Missed this I guess:


The Consumer Council of Hong Kong recently published the results of testing performed on nearly 40 popular pet foods. The results were a shock to many pet owners. Three popular US food manufacturers, Purina, Hill’s and AvoDerm, all had foods that were found to contain aflatoxin B1. The Hill’s food tested was cat food.


Typical responses from Purina and the FDA!

"Corn has become a major source of aflatoxin. Droughts in the US Midwest in recent years have caused a record amount of mold-infested crops amounting to nearly $75 million in insurance claims. In response to this surplus of corn that wasn’t safe for human consumption, the FDA increased the allowable amount of aflatoxin permitted in animal feed."

"Molds called aflatoxins can easily grow and produce a very potent carcinogen. Aflatoxins are very stable and even the high temperature processing involved in kibble manufacturing won’t destroy them, leaving little protection for any dog eating that food.
Purina confirmed this in a statement to the South China Morning Post. They stated that cancer-causing aflatoxins were an “unavoidable natural contaminant.” AvoDerm stated that they have since removed the corn from its formula as they believed it was the source of the aflatoxins."
 

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Let's recap.

Some people believe the small DCM sampling from the FDA, so they don't feed grain free foods (I agree; it's smart to be prudent)

Some people believe the "findings" of a FB group regarding DCM in Goldens and consult Dr. Google over their vets.

However, the very same people would continue to feed foods with corn, despite similar concerns about CORN and aflatoxins. It would be so easy to put this matter to rest, by doing what Avoderm did, and eliminate corn from their formula. Of course that would decrease Purina and Mars' profit margin by forcing them to make a higher quality food..less the corn.


Fear Mongering?

Follow the $$......
My sympathies to the dogs, that eat this stuff. (the Soylent Green for dogs!)
 

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Soylent Green- made of euthanized humans. Not corn.
(You must be my age.. when I was senior in HS my English class went to see this movie as an example of dystopian fiction... )

regardless...
EVERYONE has a motive. I don't need to track your graphs down to know they too have motives. The FB group you refer to is owned by the biggest promoter of Royal Canin. He's always going to have a motive in that he is probably being subsidized by RC.

You might hate Purina, but in reality, PPP is one of the few foods with zero cases of DCM. And you don't show your dogs, but in reality, PPP is one of the biggest 'show dog' foods- and those dogs are clearly not suffering -as is evidenced by their excellent coats, teeth, body tone. And in real life we are all pro "whatever-we feed"... but unless "we" are formally educated in canine nutrition, "we" are only offering an uneducated opinion. And opinions are colored by experiences but in science, experience is something we control for. Do we all know or offer our controls too when posting on a forum such as this? Not usually. People often believe their opinion is gold by virtue of their experience. So when one is looking to find an experience perspective, one needs to hit up the folks who've successfully raised hundreds of dogs.That, or look to agencies doing research and seek to find their errs in study setup. That's MY opinion.
 

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An aside- are you also Jeff S? You both came here around the same time, and both seem to be set on the same general positions...
Moderators can check the IP address and if it is the same IP address for both accounts I would assume they could notify the user and correct the issue. I think having more then one user ID could substantiate trolling.
 

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Moderators can check the IP address and if it is the same IP address for both accounts I would assume they could notify the user and correct the issue. I think having more then one user ID could substantiate trolling.
Accounts of all users are verified at time of Registration, these are two different users from two different locations.
 

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Moderators can check the IP address and if it is the same IP address for both accounts I would assume they could notify the user and correct the issue. I think having more then one user ID could substantiate trolling.

Sorry to disappoint you.
 

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Soylent Green- made of euthanized humans. Not corn.
(You must be my age.. when I was senior in HS my English class went to see this movie as an example of dystopian fiction... )

regardless...
EVERYONE has a motive. I don't need to track your graphs down to know they too have motives. The FB group you refer to is owned by the biggest promoter of Royal Canin. He's always going to have a motive in that he is probably being subsidized by RC.

You might hate Purina, but in reality, PPP is one of the few foods with zero cases of DCM. And you don't show your dogs, but in reality, PPP is one of the biggest 'show dog' foods- and those dogs are clearly not suffering -as is evidenced by their excellent coats, teeth, body tone. And in real life we are all pro "whatever-we feed"... but unless "we" are formally educated in canine nutrition, "we" are only offering an uneducated opinion. And opinions are colored by experiences but in science, experience is something we control for. Do we all know or offer our controls too when posting on a forum such as this? Not usually. People often believe their opinion is gold by virtue of their experience. So when one is looking to find an experience perspective, one needs to hit up the folks who've successfully raised hundreds of dogs.That, or look to agencies doing research and seek to find their errs in study setup. That's MY opinion.

I think probably a bit older, and you already know that I don't show. I never go out of my way to hide my feelings, and the only motivation that I have is to present another point of view for others to see..The choice is always up to them, and I never try to impose my own views on anyone.

The issue that I brought to THIS discussion concerned afatoxins from CORN, it's mold, the FDA changing the rules to permit substandard corn to be put into our pet's food, and companys like Purina saying that it was a natural occurrence and to basically get over it. NOT ACCEPTABLE, when the simple answer would have been to do what Avoderm did (not saying anything + or - about them, but they did the right thing in that instance, imo)

Trying to lump that together with my comment on DCM is totally misleading.
 
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