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Do Dogs Feel Love???

4.2K views 41 replies 20 participants last post by  TheHooch  
IMO? No, and don't slaughter me.

I don't believe dogs OR humans are capable of truly selfless acts.

Dogs are inherently selfish (and wonderful) creatures.

Dogs attach to humans because it makes them feel good, secure, etc. There's nothing wrong with that.

Name one thing a person can do that is truly selfless, where he would get NOTHING out of it. Even the greatest sacrifices in the world involve some type of self gratification IMO. And there's NOTHING wrong with that! We get something out of everything we do. Loving another person is no exception. We love people because they make us feel good and provide our mental, emotional, physical, and even financial needs, and we do the same for them.

I do believe dogs have emotion, absolutely!!!

Selfless love? No. I don't think it exists.

Once you understand this, by the way, you will become a very good dog trainer. Dogs, like people, simply DO WHAT WORKS in their worlds to get what they want, which is either stopping something bad or getting more of something good.
 
I have done a lot of seemingly "selfless" acts rescuing dogs- crazy wild stuff, driving all night, spending thousands of dollars, giving up friends, losing relationships... especially over those Salukis that consumed two solid YEARS of my life.

But I still 'got' something out of it. I feel good about myself. I got pleasure when those dogs went to new homes. I still smile when I get photos of them.
 
Are you telling me you think dogs ever listen to people "just because they are dogs" and they "love" us? Dog's want to please? And all that?

I'll not agree with that... who ARE "we" anyway to think another creature should listen to and obey us just "because" ???

Your dog may well enjoy obedience, and perform because he enjoys the act of performing, because he finds interaction rewarding. But even that is not the same as thinking dogs "want to please" humans "just because" they are dogs and we are humans.

Dogs satisify our egos on so many levels- that is why we love them.
 
According to Stephen Budiansky in "The Truth about Dogs" dogs are self-serving, opportunistic creatures who 'do' only for their benefit. They started out hanging around people because people leave food laying around...food that was no longer useful to people. That would be carcass parts and bones. Feasting on these scraps was much easier and safer than hunting on their own.

They also found protection in that most of the predators that humans fought off were predators of dogs as well.

According to Mr. Budiansky, dogs don't feel love, they don't act out of love, they have no concept of love.

They obey because they've been conditioned to. Sit means food. We think of it as reward, positive reinforcement but to them it's just food. They're loyal because they don't know anything else except the pack. The human family is their pack.

I love Penny. I love her for all her 'Penniness'. And yet when we kenneled her in Slidell, LA while we went on a cruise, she was quiet for only 2 days and then returned to her regular self. The staff told me this. She was happy to see them, played with them and gave no obvious sign of missing us. She recognized us when we got back and gave us the same greeting as if we'd gone to grocery store for an hour instead of being gone for 7 days.

It was hard to read Mr. Budiansky's words that shoot down all the theories about love, loyalty and sacrifice, but in the end, I had to agree with him.

When I look at Penny objectively, I can see everything he's talking about.

Exactly. This doesn't mean dogs are not WONDERFUL!!!! I don't need a Lassie fantasy to enjoy and appreciate my dogs for what they are :)