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Hi guys,

I am really hoping someone can help us here, we just don't know what to do anymore.

My dog has constant diarrhea/lose stools. It started immediately as a puppy so we tried to switch diets numerous times, and it was a miracle if he could find something that he would eat. Each time we switched food, we did it very slowly over a period of 3 weeks.

As a puppy, some notable examples of food:

- Core Wellness Puppy: constant lose stools. But was doing otherwise great and actually ate the food

- Taste of the Wild: lose stools, and stopped eating it from one day to the next

- Orijen: made him seriously sick including diarrhea in his crate in the middle of the night

- Blue Wilderness Puppy: the best out of all, but then we had to switch him to adult food. He still had lose stools but generally harder than in past foods

- Costco Puppy: lose stools and stopped eating it.

He had numerous trips to the ER for gastroenteritis over his life.

He is now 1 year + 3 months old. Until recently, he would go to daycare during the day. Now, we have a garden that is still a little messy and very dirty since it's dry here in CA and we don't have grass yet. I feel like this is not good for him because his coat is not fully grown at all yet.

As an adult:

Costco Adult: lose stools and ended in a trip to the ER because of sudden gastroenteritis

Zignature Limited Ingredient Turkey: same story. We add rice to it daily to try and make things a little better and it does help, but again, today his gas was terrible and he had diarrhea.

I have recently started giving him Digestive Enzymes and Fortiflora. We were prescribed Fortiflora a lot but it never made a difference, or nothing that I could notice.

I just don't know what to do anymore. It's exhausting and stressful and I feel like my dog can't live a happy, healthy life.

Any advice would be amazing! Thank you so much!
Deborah
 

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Have you talked to your vet about prescription food? He might need to be on a special diet at least for a few months to give his system time to settle down and become more normal.

Only after things settle down should you look into a more gut friendly food. I know a lot of people feed Pro Plan Sensitive Stomach and Skin to their dogs on the basis it doesn't cause issues.

But really for that matter and when you are talking about serious chronic issues - our collie who has "collie gut" (chronic gastro issues, has always and will always be primarily fed a prescription diet) can be fed the same food as our goldens. It will build up and cause major problems if fed long term, but short term he can eat the stuff without any problem.
 

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I feed royal canin hypoallergenic for duke. He also gets a probiotic, tylan powder, papayra enzymes, metamucil and pumpkin. It's not perfect, but it helps firm his stools and minimizes the itching. We've been doing this for 2 years now.
 

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I've had similar issues with Remy since having to put him on KD (prescription kidney diet) - until very recently when I followed the recommendation of someone on this board to try the probiotics sold by Natural Farmacym(.com) they are called probiotics max and they have made a huge difference!

Just a couple of those itty bitty scoops (scooper comes with the product) 2x a day and Remy's poops are just about perfect!
 

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Has your pup been tested for giardia or coccidia or other parasites? They can be really hard to get on a fecal. Your vet should have you collect 3 consecutive samples. Even if you don't get a positive, I'd consider treating for giardia or coccidia. If he has a parasite, changing the food won't do anything. Once it's treated - make sure you get a long course of antibiotics - then do the probiotics and a vet food (like EN Gastroenteric).

But first thing - you need to determine the cause of the diarrhea.
 
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Try DCO food. I get it at the vets office for my pup. You can get it online also. Plus I give a probiotic to him twice a day. It has cleared up all diarrhea. It is over 80 bucks for a 35 pound bag but it worked for my pup. It's well worth it.
 

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Yeah... I think you need to try a bland diet for a while. You keep switching between all these foods and you aren't giving your pup a chance to rest or adjust at all.
 
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I feed my two adults Purina Pro Plan for Sensitive Skin and Stomach, they both have sensitive stomachs. They've been on it for four years now and doing really great on it.

I decided to try it after I adopted my boy, he was having stomach issues, was at the Vet several times and was put on several different meds for his stomach along with being dewormed several times. He was underweight when I adopted him and needed to gain 15-20 lbs. to be at a healthy weight per the Vet.

I tried several different brands of food before I tried the PPP SSS, this is what finally worked. I noticed a difference within 1-2 days, his stools finally firmed up and within 3 months gained the weight he needed.
 

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I am so sorry about Henry and what you are going through.

Finn has had digestive issues so I understand what you are talking about. It is definitely exhausting and stressful. When I first got him as a puppy he had terrible gas and then the soft/mushy stools began, frequently with blood in them. He progressively got worse and he was basically having bloody diarrhea. I had him on numerous foods and some would work quite well at first and his stools would be very soft, but formed, and then unfortunately the diarrhea would come back. He had numerous fecals done which were all negative. I would say he probably had up to twenty fecals. His original vet wasn't very helpful so I took him to another vet and he put him on a food elimination diet which proved nothing. The vet also put him on z/d prescription food and Finn ended up having an allergic reaction to it. He ended up sending us to an Internal Medicine Specialist. She ran several tests: Cobalamin Fasting/Folate Fasting/Pancreatic Lipase Immunoreactivity Fasting and TLI Fasting. He was in the normal range of those tests. He also had a diarrhea panel that tested for Campylobacter, Parvo, Clostridium, Cryptosporidium, Giardia and Salmonella. He was negative for all of those. I had him x-rayed and everything was fine. The IM Specialist was positive he simply had worms and he was wormed for a third time. (He had already been wormed twice before I met with her.) He was on a variety of meds at different times - Metronidazole, Cerenia, Pecid, Imodium and Tylan powder. I tried probiotics and pumpkin. I also did a NutriScan test with Dr. Dodds/Hemopet to rule out a food intolerance issue. I did both panels and he had an intermediate reaction to White Fish and I was told to avoid it which I did. He was still having issues though so I had an Endoscopy done. The first report said he either had a parasite or Inflammatory Bowel Disease, but they thought he was a little young to have IBD. He was around 1 1/2 when I had him scoped. The vet decided to get a second opinion of the Endoscopy results and the lab said Finn had some lesions in his duodenum which were consistent with Schistosomiasis due to probable Heterobilharzie Americana. I asked the vet to repeat that a few times! :) It's a parasite found in standing water, but it's typically found in the southern Atlantic and Gulf Coast states. The only water Finn had access to was my mom and dad's pond and we live in the Midwest. I suppose it could have been transported by the cranes or the Canadian geese that come to the pond every spring/summer. After this diagnosis he was wormed with Panacur for the fourth time.

Unfortunately the issues continued and he didn't act or look like a healthy dog. He kept losing weight and he got down to 54 pounds. (His normal weight as an adult is 72 pounds.) He was simply wasting away and it was quite scary. I decided to switch his food - again - and look for a new vet. I switched him to Natural Balance Limited Ingredient Food, Sweet Potato and Bison. I wanted a food that didn't have many ingredients, contained a protein he had never eaten and one that was grain-free. Within a week or so of the food switch I met with a new vet and she said even though Finn did not test positive for IBD they were going to treat him as if he had it. He was put on prednisone in July of 2013 when he was a month shy of two years old. His stools improved immediately. They were firm, normal and didn't contain any blood. The vet slowly tapered his dosage so that by June of 2014 he was only taking 1.25 milligrams of prednisone once a week. In August I asked the vet if I could try taking him off of the prednisone to see how he would do. We kept tapering where he was only taking 1.25 mgs every other week and then I was able to stop the pred completely. That was around Thanksgiving and his stools are still perfectly normal and look great. I have also been able to add another food with a little more protein and fat as a topper, Fromm Beef Frittata, and that hasn't caused any problems at all. He also eats Natural Balance Sweet Potato/Bison treats and that is about it.


At one point I did contact his breeder to let her know what was going on with him. She was very sorry we were going through this. All the other pups in his litter didn't have any digestive issues nor did any of his full-blooded siblings in a previous litter. I guess that made Finn unique! ;)

I'm sorry to write a novel, but I thought if I went through everything I did for Finn possibly you could get some ideas for your boy. To be honest I don't really know what Finn's issue was. Possibly he simply has a very sensitive stomach that became increasingly riled up and only prednisone was going to calm it down.


As for Henry, I agree with the previous posters and would make sure he first doesn't have some type of parasite.

Please keep us posted. I understand how frustrating and upsetting it is. I feel for you and Henry.
 
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I am so sorry about Henry and what you are going through.

Finn has had digestive issues so I understand what you are talking about. It is definitely exhausting and stressful. When I first got him as a puppy he had terrible gas and then the soft/mushy stools began, frequently with blood in them. He progressively got worse and he was basically having bloody diarrhea. I had him on numerous foods and some would work quite well at first and his stools would be very soft, but formed, and then unfortunately the diarrhea would come back. He had numerous fecals done which were all negative. I would say he probably had up to twenty fecals. His original vet wasn't very helpful so I took him to another vet and he put him on a food elimination diet which proved nothing. The vet also put him on z/d prescription food and Finn ended up having an allergic reaction to it. He ended up sending us to an Internal Medicine Specialist. She ran several tests: Cobalamin Fasting/Folate Fasting/Pancreatic Lipase Immunoreactivity Fasting and TLI Fasting. He was in the normal range of those tests. He also had a diarrhea panel that tested for Campylobacter, Parvo, Clostridium, Cryptosporidium, Giardia and Salmonella. He was negative for all of those. I had him x-rayed and everything was fine. The IM Specialist was positive he simply had worms and he was wormed for a third time. (He had already been wormed twice before I met with her.) He was on a variety of meds at different times - Metronidazole, Cerenia, Pecid, Imodium and Tylan powder. I tried probiotics and pumpkin. I also did a NutriScan test with Dr. Dodds/Hemopet to rule out a food intolerance issue. I did both panels and he had an intermediate reaction to White Fish and I was told to avoid it which I did. He was still having issues though so I had an Endoscopy done. The first report said he either had a parasite or Inflammatory Bowel Disease, but they thought he was a little young to have IBD. He was around 1 1/2 when I had him scoped. The vet decided to get a second opinion of the Endoscopy results and the lab said Finn had some lesions in his duodenum which were consistent with Schistosomiasis due to probable Heterobilharzie Americana. I asked the vet to repeat that a few times! :) It's a parasite found in standing water, but it's typically found in the southern Atlantic and Gulf Coast states. The only water Finn had access to was my mom and dad's pond and we live in the Midwest. I suppose it could have been transported by the cranes or the Canadian geese that come to the pond every spring/summer. After this diagnosis he was wormed with Panacur for the fourth time.

Unfortunately the issues continued and he didn't act or look like a healthy dog. He kept losing weight and he got down to 54 pounds. (His normal weight as an adult is 72 pounds.) He was simply wasting away and it was quite scary. I decided to switch his food - again - and look for a new vet. I switched him to Natural Balance Limited Ingredient Food, Sweet Potato and Bison. I wanted a food that didn't have many ingredients, contained a protein he had never eaten and one that was grain-free. Within a week or so of the food switch I met with a new vet and she said even though Finn did not test positive for IBD they were going to treat him as if he had it. He was put on prednisone in July of 2013 when he was a month shy of two years old. His stools improved immediately. They were firm, normal and didn't contain any blood. The vet slowly tapered his dosage so that by June of 2014 he was only taking 1.25 milligrams of prednisone once a week. In August I asked the vet if I could try taking him off of the prednisone to see how he would do. We kept tapering where he was only taking 1.25 mgs every other week and then I was able to stop the pred completely. That was around Thanksgiving and his stools are still perfectly normal and look great. I have also been able to add another food with a little more protein and fat as a topper, Fromm Beef Frittata, and that hasn't caused any problems at all. He also eats Natural Balance Sweet Potato/Bison treats and that is about it.


At one point I did contact his breeder to let her know what was going on with him. She was very sorry we were going through this. All the other pups in his litter didn't have any digestive issues nor did any of his full-blooded siblings in a previous litter. I guess that made Finn unique! ;)

I'm sorry to write a novel, but I thought if I went through everything I did for Finn possibly you could get some ideas for your boy. To be honest I don't really know what Finn's issue was. Possibly he simply has a very sensitive stomach that became increasingly riled up and only prednisone was going to calm it down.


As for Henry, I agree with the previous posters and would make sure he first doesn't have some type of parasite.

Please keep us posted. I understand how frustrating and upsetting it is. I feel for you and Henry.
> Wow reading this I felt like I was reading our journey! I'm convinced there is a new strain of something out there affecting our pups! On a serious note - I still haven't diagnosed my pup that gets mushy poops when we wean her off Tylan / Tylosin. Everytime I think she's doing great I try to reduce the amount and either the poops go bad or she has a night time-empty stomach vomit thing in the morning. She will vomit in the morning and the vet thinks it's because her tummy is empty, so she gets a midnight snack.

But after exciting (fun or stressful) situations, she tends to get a sort of hard rigid belly. Still can't figure what this is but seems like a cramped tummy ache. She's usually fine after getting back on the Tylan routine and midnight snacks. She's had it since she was a few months old...yes I feel your pain. our pooor babies ! the vet didn't feel the need to do a scrape for IBD since she was so young. so our issues are still a mystery but it's treatable at the moment.
 

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Hi All,

Sorry for the late reply.

Henry had been tested and no parasites in sight.

We seem to have found a solution. We changed his food once again to Halo (large breed) and he loves it.

On top of that, we give him digestive enzymes, dehydrated pumpkin and coconut oil. It helps and he is doing better.

His hair has started to grow a little and is softer and he is FULL of energy!
 

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Hi All,

Sorry for the late reply.

Henry had been tested and no parasites in sight.

We seem to have found a solution. We changed his food once again to Halo (large breed) and he loves it.

On top of that, we give him digestive enzymes, dehydrated pumpkin and coconut oil. It helps and he is doing better.

His hair has started to grow a little and is softer and he is FULL of energy!
GREAT NEWS! I'm still on the hunt for our solution. Right now the vet is suggesting vitaminB12 shots and avoiding poultry.

What digestive enzyme brand are you using? Also, how much pumpkin and coconut oil do you give? Thanks!
 
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