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I just don't understand why breeders/owners don't fill in the COD on dogs in k9data......its invaluable information withheld, why? I assume cancer obviously....but wouldn't it be better if we knew what kind, and how to breed to improve longevity, by not combining dogs that have a history of a similar cancer.... I also think K9data should add a spot for a PU diagnoses...I sometimes see it on the "honorifics", but that isn't something someone wants to take down their dog won a BIS, for oh yeah he had PU at 8years(since the allowed characters are limited). It would encourage breeders and owners to be more forthcoming. Just my thoughts...anyone have input why someone wouldn't put the COD? (I know sometimes you don't know, but I have seen "unknown" filled in the area, that still gives more info than a blank spot. )
 

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I have said it in the past, if the death date is there, but not COD, I always assume cancer and take note at how old the dog was when it died.
 

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I completely agree. I have recently been helping a friend try to find a stud dog. When I go to see longevity or COD, it is frustrating as many are blank. I think it is even more essential when we're talking about "the big players" that were incredibly influential in our breed. How did they die?? It is something that needs to be known to make solid breeding choices.

I understand when the pain is still fresh in one's mind and you don't add anything for a few weeks or months... but I appreciate that. I appreciate it even more when those owners go back and add the info as they have healed.
 

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And my first 2 goldens had a pretty definitive diagnosis of hemangio sarc, although no definitive aspirates were done. My last girl, had a clean thoracic and abdominal ultrasound... the specialists insisted it was anaplasmosis.. I believe it was spinal cancer, but never got the diagnosis. And some breeders are much more open about the eye issues. The problem is if everyone isn't open, then people point fingers at the ones who have it out in the open.
 

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One dog I have bred to twice had a dad who died young from a car accident... but it's not on K9 data... just the death date.
 

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well with the car accident, that just doesn't make sense...and as an optimistic person, I can't help but see the blank COD, and think "oh maybe it was something else"...but deep inside I know it was likely cancer. I think if we knew generally what was thought to be the type of cancer, it would still be helpful, if not in a scientific way, at least qualitatively so. Especially as more information is discovered, having a solid record of the past can only help us make breeding decisions.

I understand the idea that those who are open, and others aren't, it makes them look bad. But after getting more experienced, I'm worried when there isn't that information that is a little scary. Like if there are no failing results on OFA, or anything about PU/cancer/cataracts/ED/HD on K9 data, I assume, they aren't being open, vs. their line being far superior than other dogs of similar pedigrees.
 

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I could be wrong, but isn't the COD line on k9data relatively new? Maybe people just aren't used to thinking about going in and adding it?
 

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geez, seems like just yesterday. Yet another sign I'm getting old :doh:

Its been there at least four years....Someone might know when exactly.
 

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We all used to put COD in honorifics.
 

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And yes we are all getting old... I looked at change history on my first golden, and it was in 2009 that I took her COD out of honorifics and put it in COD... hasn't been around that long.(as I am pretty compulsive with k9 data). And as I said earlier, not all dogs that died young died of cancer... There are a number of big producing stud dogs in the Northeast who died relatively young (and their owners are respected) and there is no COD.
 

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Yes I wish it was more used...honestly I wish health issues were more openly discussed.

I must say I have been impressed when looking at the flat coat pedigree database though. They have the opportunity to enter tons more information about the dogs and many do...anything from structural strengths and weaknesses to temperament and a list of health problems with dates, etc. Very cool. Would love to see that with goldens too.
 

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For Allergies!! That would be SOO cool. These are the things breeder are shooting in the dark about. You can be informed, but only to a certain point, when breeders in the past were not in the habit of documenting even significant things like COD.... (still common now)

I thought it was 4 years since the COD was on k9data, but I must have been thinking of the COD's being in the honorifics. I spent a long time looking at k9data, before I decided on my sammy. His pedigree is pretty open as far as COD's and eye issues, but is also filled with dogs from breeders who are still around, and are easy to email and ask questions about a specific dog. Generally I don't think a reputable breeder would lie to someone asking specifically about a dog, even if they didn't feel comfortable putting that information out on k9data (for whatever reason I don't understand, I guess reputation...) That is generally my technique at least with dogs I am personally invested in...Sometimes that is much easier said than done, with a lot of breeders retiring, or don't have their contact information available anymore.
 

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Personally, I say keep your eyes and ears open...
 

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Personally, I say keep your eyes and ears open...
I agree with that... I don't put anything past anyone given some things I've been told and things I've seen, "reputable" or not. And I've only been "in dogs" for 2 years!
 
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thanks, I feel better. I swore it was fairly recent, but time flies these days...

And yes we are all getting old... I looked at change history on my first golden, and it was in 2009 that I took her COD out of honorifics and put it in COD... hasn't been around that long.(as I am pretty compulsive with k9 data). And as I said earlier, not all dogs that died young died of cancer... There are a number of big producing stud dogs in the Northeast who died relatively young (and their owners are respected) and there is no COD.
 

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K9Data is operated on a completely volunteer basis (although they allow donations) and being on the K9data email list, you hear just how many headaches they have to deal with since people are allowed to enter their own data. In regards to the difference between the Flat Coat database and K9Data.....there are SOOOO many more Goldens than Flat-Coats that just keeping track of the data that K9Data does is a larger task than keeping track of more data per dog for Flat-Coats.

If you are interested in seeing a change in K9Data, join the email list or email Amy with your suggestions...she is very open to feasible changes that will improve the database.
 
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It is a big big data-base, which has its benefits, verses a small database with more information. Although, I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to add a spot for a PU diagnoses, as of right now I find it difficult to find any information about an eye clearance failure vs. a hip/elbow failure. Often that eye clearance failure happens later in the dogs life, and its not that often to find it documented in an online database. I'll probably send an email, but I'm sure someone has already brought that up.
 
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