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My golden has GI problems, disc protrusion, and arthritis. I'm most concerned about the GI problems and disc protrusion.

Does anyone have experience with veterinary chiropractic, accupuncture, biopuncture, or other holistic methods? I'd like to know about successes and failures.

Would you trust your dog to one of these practitioners over a conventional veterinarian or in conjunction with one?

Please help. Thank you.
 

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N: I did google about T9 and T10 protrusion and mild spinal cord compression and there is some information. Hoping your dog feels better soon.
 

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If you look for scientific, evidence based results you'll find that there is no evidence that acupuncture works. There is a ton of anecdotal evidence but not true data that supports it. The same goes for most holistic methods. No, I would not spend my money and hope on these methods
 

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My golden has GI problems, disc protrusion, and arthritis. I'm most concerned about the GI problems and disc protrusion.

Does anyone have experience with veterinary chiropractic, accupuncture, biopuncture, or other holistic methods? I'd like to know about successes and failures.

Would you trust your dog to one of these practitioners over a conventional veterinarian or in conjunction with one?

Please help. Thank you.
Yes, I have current experience with acupuncture, chiropractic treatment and laser therapy with Brisby.

She is being treated by a holistic homeopathic DVM who is also a specialist in homeopathy for a stifle injury ( torn cruciate or meniscal injury) and spondilosis of her lower spine diagnosed by xray and symptoms. She has not been on NSAIDs except for about 1 week immediately after the tear/injury, is healing well and is pain free. I am very pleased with Brisby's progress and treatment in lieu of the conventional suggestion of invasive surgery and heavy duty drugs.

If you can afford the treatment and/or if you have pet insurance that will cover holistic/homeopathic treatment, I would encourage you to try it for your Golden.

There are several vets in the GTA who practice holistic/homeopathic medicine in tandem with conventional allopathic, that you may want to contact, although they are few and far between.

PM me if you would like more information.
 

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If you look for scientific, evidence based results you'll find that there is no evidence that acupuncture works. There is a ton of anecdotal evidence but not true data that supports it. The same goes for most holistic methods. No, I would not spend my money and hope on these methods
http://people.tamu.edu/~e-tebeaux/ode/techwrite/Validity%20of%20Acupuncture.pdf

http://www.acupuncture.com/animals/dog.htm

https://www.onehealthsim.org/no-evidence-for-acupuncture-think-again/
 

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You should contact GRF member "mybuddy". Victoria has been having her golden, Buddy, treated by an acupuncturist for a while now.


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If you try acupuncture look for a IVAS certified practitioner. Anyone can buy the needles and practice it.

https://www.ivas.org/about-ivas/

If you look for scientific, evidence based results you'll find that there is no evidence that acupuncture works. There is a ton of anecdotal evidence but not true data that supports it. The same goes for most holistic methods. No, I would not spend my money and hope on these methods
With due respect to your opinion acupuncture has been around for a few thousand years and if it didn't work why is it still practiced?

Eastern methods worked long before western medicine. General human perspectives nowadays think it bunk or voodoo as society is used to the western fix it now thinking. Here's a pill, you'll get better.

Dogs don't talk, they don't publish papers. You see it work through their actions.

Don't knock it, worked for my boy when nothing else did.
 

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My bridge girl Maggie had severe hip dysplasia and arthritis in her spine. In addition to meds, Chiropractic made a world of difference for her. We tried acupuncture with no success.

Every pet is different
 

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If you try acupuncture look for a IVAS certified practitioner. Anyone can buy the needles and practice it.

https://www.ivas.org/about-ivas/



With due respect to your opinion acupuncture has been around for a few thousand years and if it didn't work why is it still practiced?

Eastern methods worked long before western medicine. General human perspectives nowadays think it bunk or voodoo as society is used to the western fix it now thinking. Here's a pill, you'll get better.

Dogs don't talk, they don't publish papers. You see it work through their actions.

Don't knock it, worked for my boy when nothing else did.

With respect to your opinion, how long something has been around or how popular it is has nothing to do with efficacy. And it probably isn't as old as you believe it to be,

"Exactly how ancient is acupuncture? Not nearly as ancient as you may think. The first clue is right there in the hands of the acupuncturist: Those slender, flexible, stainless steel needles. The technology to make them didn't even exist until about 400 years ago.
There are even more historical clues. The Chinese have long kept detailed records. When we examine them we do, indeed, find references to a practice called needling, but the earliest dates to about 90 BCE. The needles from that era were large, and the practice of needling refers to bloodletting and the lancing of abscesses, a treatment nothing like today's acupuncture. Earlier Chinese medical texts, some reaching back to the 3rd century BCE, never even mention it. There's no evidence at all that acupuncture is anywhere near 3,000 years old.
No matter. At least acupuncture is Chinese, right? Maybe not.
Chinese scholar Paul Unschuld thinks that the practice may have started in ancient Greece, with Hippocrates of Cos, and later spread to China. A fundamental feature of acupuncture, namely the special meridian points where the needles must be placed, can be traced to the medieval Islamic and European ideas of astrology mapped onto the body. This rather obvious link led researcher Ben Kavoussi to call acupuncture "Astrology with needles" He writes:
...for most of China's long medical history, needling, bloodletting and cautery were largely practiced by itinerant and illiterate folk-healers, and frowned upon by the learned physicians who favored the use of pharmacopoeia."

I personally am not so quick to dismiss western medicine. It is that very western medicine that has seen the eradication of polio in the developed world and indeed almost the entire world.

It is western evidence based science that even allows us to have the Internet and this very forum.

I am not an expert in medical research but I do trust in those who are.

I was not making a judgement on those who choose to use holistic methods, I was simply replying to the OP. If the OP is similarly minded to me then that information would be valuable to them.

This is well worth the read
http://skeptoid.com/mobile/4431
 

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With respect to your opinion, how long something has been around or how popular it is has nothing to do with efficacy. And it probably isn't as old as you believe it to be,

"Exactly how ancient is acupuncture? Not nearly as ancient as you may think. The first clue is right there in the hands of the acupuncturist: Those slender, flexible, stainless steel needles. The technology to make them didn't even exist until about 400 years ago.
There are even more historical clues. The Chinese have long kept detailed records. When we examine them we do, indeed, find references to a practice called needling, but the earliest dates to about 90 BCE. The needles from that era were large, and the practice of needling refers to bloodletting and the lancing of abscesses, a treatment nothing like today's acupuncture. Earlier Chinese medical texts, some reaching back to the 3rd century BCE, never even mention it. There's no evidence at all that acupuncture is anywhere near 3,000 years old.
No matter. At least acupuncture is Chinese, right? Maybe not.
Chinese scholar Paul Unschuld thinks that the practice may have started in ancient Greece, with Hippocrates of Cos, and later spread to China. A fundamental feature of acupuncture, namely the special meridian points where the needles must be placed, can be traced to the medieval Islamic and European ideas of astrology mapped onto the body. This rather obvious link led researcher Ben Kavoussi to call acupuncture "Astrology with needles" He writes:
...for most of China's long medical history, needling, bloodletting and cautery were largely practiced by itinerant and illiterate folk-healers, and frowned upon by the learned physicians who favored the use of pharmacopoeia."

I personally am not so quick to dismiss western medicine. It is that very western medicine that has seen the eradication of polio in the developed world and indeed almost the entire world.

It is western evidence based science that even allows us to have the Internet and this very forum.

I am not an expert in medical research but I do trust in those who are.

I was not making a judgement on those who choose to use holistic methods, I was simply replying to the OP. If the OP is similarly minded to me then that information would be valuable to them.

This is well worth the read
Acupuncture
So you base eastern philosophy from quoting opinions on the internet?

Yes western medicine has saved untold amounts of human and dog lives with vaccines etc no doubt.

Get back to me when you run out of options for your Golden kid and your mind may open a bit when you see it work wonders.

Countless members here have left with true results from Eastern ways because folks like you post a link discounting it.
 

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So you base eastern philosophy from quoting opinions on the internet?

Yes western medicine has saved untold amounts of human and dog lives with vaccines etc no doubt.

Get back to me when you run out of options for your Golden kid and your mind may open a bit when you see it work wonders.

Countless members here have left with true results from Eastern ways because folks like you post a link discounting it.

Does it work? Our best evidence says no.

The best double blinded, controlled study proved that sham acupuncture (the skin wasn't even being broken, merely pressure applied by toothpicks) worked better than "real" acupuncture.

I would say it is your mind that is not open. The studies have been done. The evidence is there.
 

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I would say it is your mind that is not open.
That comment is hurtful to me. If you had been around this forum for the past half dozen years before it got bought out by a major player you might understand reading hundreds of real success stories by what once was a family here..

I am the most open minded person here. I have experience as others far from what one googles on the internet. I quit posting my help as many others because people search on the net and think everything they read on it is true.

I guess you're right and all of us others are wrong. Have a nice day.
 

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That comment is hurtful to me. If you had been around this forum for the past half dozen years before it got bought out by a major player you might understand reading hundreds of real success stories by what once was a family here..

I am the most open minded person here. I have experience as others far from what one googles on the internet. I quit posting my help as many others because people search on the net and think everything they read on it is true.

I guess you're right and all of us others are wrong. Have a nice day.

So it's hurtful to you but it's fine for you to say it to me? You don't consider yourself rude for calling me closed minded? I think you may need to reflect over the way you have spoken to me.

You have attacked me for having a different opinion yet you can't consider yourself that you are wrong. Don't put anything on me thank you
 

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My vet, I would say, strikes a good balance between the two. My only experience with acupuncture was with a Manx cat who suffered from Megacolon. I can't say the acupuncture was successful. However, the homemade food recipe he provided was an absolute success for fixing one of the associated Megacolon symptoms.
 

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You have attacked me for having a different opinion yet you can't consider yourself that you are wrong. Don't put anything on me thank you
I have not attacked you, grow a set. And no I'm not wrong for my thoughts and yes I find your opinion closed minded to me.You have your beliefs as do I but I've been there done that. Lets just agree to disagree. I'm not here to argue, not my style.
 

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I have not attacked you, grow a set. I'm not here to argue, not my style.

You have been attacking me because you think you're right, even though this thread is not about you and a question was asked. I have rebutted you with factual information. And then you cry foul. You can "grow a set" yourself.
 

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You have been attacking me because you think you're right, even though this thread is not about you and a question was asked. I have rebutted you with factual information. And then cry foul. You can "grow a set" yourself.
You are correct this thread is not about me or the disagreement between us. I hope we can stop this and let it get back to the OP's question.

Whether "factual" information exists or not on eastern ways it does work, I've seen it work for my dogs and others.
 

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OP, what might really work well for you is TENS therapy
I do like the TENS therapy for myself, I had one machine that bit the dust after turning it up to high though ;) Not sure how one would use it on a dog though. I assume the OP is looking into everything possible as many of us do in times. You have a good point bringing that up.
 
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