I am curious do you believe that the breeders of Noranby Camfite at the he was born, just 3 years after they were first shown as flat coats (Golden), considered this dog to be the template by which all future Goldens should be judged?This is Eng. CH. Noranby Campfire, he is the first golden champion. The other pic is a current champion, you can see the difference in everything from the coat to the overall size and build.
That to me is an easy question to answer. First and formost because a dog with Drive will do the job even it it hurts or kills them. I have seen my Min Pin do just that. Min Pins have serious vermin hunting blood behind them. He just about killed himself several times and caused permanent damage to his body. He was extremely incorrect and though his instincts said yes his body paid the price especially as he aged.Here's an interesting point.
It seems that a field golden can do the work despite lacking the so called structure that conformation golden breeders inset they need to function in the field. Why do you think that is?
Your post suggests that Goldens should not be extremely athletic and extremely high drive. That is the root of the problem. The dog is supposed to be a hunting dog. My needs are for the athlete. I am a hunter. I hunt my dog five hours or more at a time. Why should I use a retriever breed with an inferior nose?Question is though, if you wanted extremely athletic and extremely high drive.... why get a golden retriever when there are other breeds out there who are show bred, breed standard, and have all of that to offer in addition to being extremely athletic and extremely high drive?
That's about the same amount of concerning as people who want newfie heads and collie coats on show goldens.
Many of us are into golden retrievers to begin with because other retriever breeds and pointing retriever breeds too are too much dog for most people who aren't living outside or something.
Are you sure that’s how that happened?A couple judges choose overly heavy coats and then breeders start breeding for more coat. Well this truly is detrimental to the dog as an outdoor athletic lifestyle hunting.
If you want me to put italics in to emphasize the words you used, I can do that.Megora
Your post said if I want extremely athletic and extremely high drive why not get another breed. Implication is that this is not in our breed.
From my reading the coat separation happened around 1910s. Color is another big change that happen around that time.Are you sure that’s how that happened?A couple judges choose overly heavy coats and then breeders start breeding for more coat. Well this truly is detrimental to the dog as an outdoor athletic lifestyle hunting.
I have heard a different story driven more by a breeder or breeders determined to remake the breed.
I have no idea which is true. Unless there is evidence, I don’t know that we can say either way.
O I have ever intention to try to dabble in everything, like I told k9 I am using her boy Fisher as a model.I have one of both, a small field golden (she's only 47lbs, super petite, and very light on coat) and a show golden with lots of bone and too much hair (as in I will never take him pheasant hunting because the amount of burrs he would attract is frightening to think about). I frequently say that my perfect dog would be a mixture of them both. The conformation and temperament of my show line, the drive, energy, and smarts of my field line, with a coat somewhere in between. But I don't think requiring certain titles to achieve other titles is the answer to that though, its supporting those breeders that do strive for the all-around dog, which is what I will do with my next golden! That and when you get your dog Nate, make an effort to show that your dog can do it all.