Who else feels that it would make sense for a dog breed to be a hunt dog to have a hunt title on it before it can be considered a champion, which means it meet breed standards?
To prove that they are breed standard, of course... :nerd:By that same token should they have to earn a Championship to get credit for hunt titles?
The problem you start out with is people saying you can't bring them to the table to discuss forcing them to do something to prove the dogs are "breed standard", when the other side is not put to the same rigors to compete in two completely different sports."What I understand the OP is asking is that GRCA would not recognize CH titles unless the dogs prove that they are hunting dogs by a minimal field title (IE, JH)." Excatly what i was getting to. I would even say that towards border collies as well. They where breed to herd so in order to get a champion title they should get a herd title. In Germany German shepherds need have to complete three test before they can be breed. Just a thought to better the breed.
The written AKC Golden Retriever Standard states they are primarily hunting dogs, conformation dogs should meet the standard, that's the whole point. A conformation dog should be able to retrieve birds.No. I do not agree with that at all. Conformation is strictly about the structure and movement of a dog and has nothing to do with the dog's ability to retrieve birds. Not all Goldens are cut out for hunting. Field work and conformation are like apples and oranges and have nothing to do with one another. In fact, many field Goldens are bred to have an entirely different structure than conformation lines. Personally, I have absolutely no interest in hunting/field work and only have a vested interest in conformation. If you are interested in doing both field work as well as showing in conformation, then more power to you and you should absolutely pursue both if you have that kind of multipurpose dog, but having a hunting title should absolutely not be a requirement in order for a dog to be successful in the show ring and become titled.
The GRCA WC is a test to assess the basic "Raw Talent" the dog comes with. There really isn't much trained ability required. From a trainability standpoint the WC is easier than an AKC JH where delivery to hand is a requirement.Wasn't that why the WC was created? There are some breeds that still stress working ability. It's a bit redundant anymore. With enough time and training most dogs could pass a WC or JH. The owner just has to spend the time and money. In fact I've seen a CH golden that was on a Pros truck for forever. If I remember correctly from when I looked up the dogs, it took over 10 tests to earn a JH title.
I agree. BTW i learned today what a swampcollie is LOLThe Breed Standard states the golden retriever is supposed to be a hunting dog. A Conformation Championship is supposed to be awarded to dogs that demonstrate "bred in" superior conformance to the Breed Standard. It kind of weakens the meaning and value of a CH Title when one is awarded without testing or demonstrating conformance to a portion of the Breed Standard.