so basically it’s a multivitamin paste, and i guess tablets that are mostly calcium? would it hurt him if we gave him either?Point of diminishing returns start at 750mg of Glucosimine and is virtually a wash anywhere above 1000mg. MSM needs a vitamin C and preferably an Ester-C to be taken full advantage of. Most people including vets don't even know this. 1000-1500mg is way over kill and is just a waste. Sounds like they want you to buy more supplements.
Point of diminishing returns start at 750mg of Glucosimine and is virtually a wash anywhere above 1000mg. MSM needs a vitamin C and preferably an Ester-C to be taken full advantage of. Most people including vets don't even know this. 1000-1500mg is way over kill and is just a waste. Sounds like they want you to buy more supplements.
My Jacks had mild bilateral hip dysplasia.
My vet (also long time golden retriever owner) recommended 1000-1500 glucosamine, 1000 MSM, and a good percentage of Chondroitin as well.
My vet themselves did not sell the product, so it was not a sales situation.
They recommended Cosequin DS with MSM, or Glycoflex III - I went with Glycoflex III the physical rehab vet strongly recommended the brand.
They also recommended keeping him active and lean - including letting him do as much as he wanted, including agility.
He was a very active dog all his life and had xrays done at 2-3 different points (checking spleen, but also catching a glimpse of his hips). There were no bone changes or progression of arthritis in his hips. He stayed as strong and active in his senior years as he was when he was younger.
Happiest memory was bringing him back out into the obedience ring in what turned out to be our last chance to do so (Sept trial, he died the following August). He flew at my side as active and strong as any 2 year old. The months that followed, he went on hikes, went swimming, etc like normal. To the last week of his life, he still went nuts about going for his usual daily walks (about 3 miles).
It may have been him?
But he was on a 2 chews a day schedule his entire life and I feel it did some good. Will not prevent hip dysplasia or elbow dysplasia - but can help keep a dog sound and active all his life.
Vitamin C - comes from breeder recommendation and is mainly related to pano and easing/preventing.
There is no way to know if it will hurt him but the chances are there to imbalance their calcium intake which could lead to joint issues and early in life as well. So I personally wouldn't give those supplementsso basically it’s a multivitamin paste, and i guess tablets that are mostly calcium? would it hurt him if we gave him either?
So... curious, where exactly are you getting these ideas from?If you had an issue to start they may have just prescribed the 1000-1500mg so that any extra they can use they will use but after 750mg they use very little at that point. For example, at 1000mg they may use only 900mg but at 1500mg they may only use 1100mg,. the diminishing returns factor.
Ah.LoL not ideas, this is info from the source such as Vet schools from University of Penn, Kansas State and Purdue all of which I have visited and the R&D labs of Purina, Iams (at the time patent company of Eukanuba as well), Hills and Nutro which I have visited as well over the last 15 years.
I'm more respectful of advice given to me by people whose job isn't about selling their dog food products, but those vets who are responsible for keeping canine athletes sound and on their feet.I will since it is where the research is done. Again with a dog with current issues they may just give that 1500mg knowing they won't use it all but try to get the maximum disagree but there is certainly a point of diminishing results starting at 750mg. I didn't say there was zero benefit. But for a person looking to spend a dog without issues, it's no question a waste. And for puppies, not really recommended. If you look at most high end food there usually isn't any joint care until the adult food. There's a reason for that.
I'm always a little skeptical of any product recommendations for something they profit from. I too have heard you don't want to add additional calcium for large breed puppies as you want slow growth and this can lead to joint issues.Hello all! just got our golden puppy today! The breeder gave us a calcium tablet supplement by nutrivet as well as a paste, they said to give the paste twice a day and a tablet once a day, this is healthy and normal right? i want a second opinion
The information I provided has nothing to do with grainfree food or big 4 company conspiracy! It was information from petmd. The example was to help OP to understand how to read the label on whatever food she is using. They asked about needing supplements or additional calcium and nothing about what food to feed!Think that we are pretty sure who funds most of those studies..The dog food big 4 companies of course!