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The hip ratings themselves wouldn't concern me so much. I would want to look back through the pedigree and see how past generations' hips have been. My puppy's parents were fair and good, but the grandparents were excellent, excellent, excellent, and good. I would be more concerned about the lack of other clearances. It is heartbreaking to find out something is wrong with your dog after you have become attached, and good breeders do everything they can to decrease the chances of that happening by making sure it isn't found in the parents. I would bet you could find a breeder doing all the clearances in your area for around $800 - $1000.
 

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Hi there,

I looked up the AKC classified listings and found one litter listed under GRCA members:
Ben Of Lone Mountain (SR06653602) x Zoey Of Lone Mountain (SR23074005)

If this is the one that you are looking at, I would step back and take a closer look at things. There are a few red flags...

1) You've already seen that the parents are both Fairs but none of the grandparents have OFA clearances listed either.

2) You've also noticed that the parents don't seem to have cardiac, elbow, or eye clearances. That's a big red flag. It is possible that these have been done but not sent in so ask to see the actual documents. Cardiac clearance should be done by a cardiologist or specialist, not a practitioner. If the elbows were submitted to OFA as prelims, they should have a form from OFA stating this and what the ratings are. The CERF clearance should have been done within the last 18 months, preferably the last 12 months.

3) For $500, I would expect a breeder to be selling the pup on a Limited (Non-breeding) registration. Is that the case here?

4) Not everyone who is listed as a member of the GRCA actually is. Some people have said that in their classifieds to get a higher listing than the rest. You can contact the Membership Coordinator, Deb Ascher at [email protected] and she can verify whether or not the breeder is a member in good standing.
 

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Where are you located? We have some very knowledgeable people here that could point you in the right direction! Welcome to the forum, you've come to the right place! :)
 

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As the others have said, the Fair ratings on the hips don't concern me in and of themselves, but any hip clearance without a history on both parents side is of concern. It is one thing to have a Fair out of Good or Fair parents but quite another to have a Fair (or an Excellent for that matter) out of a dysplastic parent or grandparent.

Being a member of the GRCA does not really signify anything, as the GRCA will allow anyone who wants to join, to be a member. The thought is that those less than stellar breeders who join will learn something and be a better breeder because of it.

And missing those other clearances could be huge, if they were not done.
 

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goldenjd, I agree 100% with the comments made by Loisiana and Ragtym. There are way too many wonderful people out there doing their best to raise healthy goldens to settle for giving your money to someone who isn't doing there absolute best to improve the breed and behave in an ethical manner. There are no guarantees in life, but if you dig around on this forum, you will see that nearly everyone here will say that you need to do everything you can to stack the deck in your favor when acquiring a dog who you hope to have for many happy, healthy years.

There are so many great breeders out there, please consider expanding your search a bit, make an adventure out of it and maybe look a little farther afield. You would never buy a car from the first dealer you shopped or a house without shopping around. A puppy is a 10 to 12 year investment. I always think of all the pleasure I get from my dogs and I spread their cost over a 10 year period and it suddenly looks like quite a bargain at $100 a year... WAY worth it :)
 

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I will re-echo what has already been said but from a slightly different angle.
The fair hips of both parents would not be a big issue for me - fair is a passing rating - and you would hope that the generations behind would also have hip clearances. But then again that is something that is in the past and not probably in the control of this breeder, so I will not condemn them for this.
However if they truly are breeders that are members of the GRCA then they are aware of the GRCA Code Of Ethics (COE). Here is a link to it GRCA COE
Thus they should have all the clearances. If not I would not consider a dog of this breeder's breeding.
 

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Thank you for your responses. I will ask about these other areas. I realize now that I asked about the hips, but not about the other areas. So, it may be premature to be concerned until I know more facts.

Thank you!
 

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Just as an aside, I know Klamath Gold has puppies right now, and he is in Southern Oregon, not too far away. He has very nice dogs with clearances. You might want to contact him.
 
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