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Hello! My husband and I are considering putting a deposit on a puppy from this breeder - Brubaker’s NorCal Golden Retriever Puppies - however we noticed they do not have any external references, and we don't see any links from Yelp/Facebook/etc. We may be overly cautious but just wanted to post this and see if anyone can verify that they are a breeder/that they know of them.

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Kim
 

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I had a quick look at the website and to be honest it was scary. Just click on the "Golden health/Info/How to" tab and scroll down to the sections on health testing. If you can actually understand the text (it's very badly written), not only do they boast of not doing health tests, but they actually attack breeders who do the testing, claiming that it's nothing more than a marketing ploy (!) and a way to charge more for pups (!) They also say, among other things, that hip dysplasia is not genetic (!) and that it is not the breeder who is responsible for the quality of the pups, it is God and the parent dogs (!) The entire page is a masterclass in ignorance. After reading it, I would run far, far away from this breeder.


Not only that, but they are charging $1950 for puppies. This is as much as you would pay for a puppy from a good breeder who does the health tests and is active in improving the breed, not just churning out puppies.


Note that hip dysplasia and elbow dysplasia are extremely painful for the dog and cost many thousands of dollars to treat and correct. Goldens are also prone to genetic eye conditions leading to blindness. If the parents and prior generations haven't been tested for these conditions, you have no way of knowing if your pup is likely to develop them.



Bottom line: These pups are from parents that have not had the required core tests (hips, elbows, heart, eyes). This breeder therefore does not follow the kennel club code of ethics and actually boasts of not doing so. If you were paying around $500, it might be worth the risk provided you took out health insurance on your pup. But at $1950, you can do a lot better.
 

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Hi Kim,
Not only do they make no attempt to follow the Golden Retriever Club of America's Code of Ethics for breeders they post a lot of wrong and misleading information as an excuse not to follow the Code of Ethics. Their comments in the Health section actually make me very angry. I wouldn't take a free dog from them. If you decide to do this, buy health insurance.
 

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Wow. I've never read so much hooey in my life! And I AM a scientist....every single 'fact' they state is not true, from the health page to the way they raise their litters (and the video on concrete w freshly cleaned floor is interesting to me- you can see the poop just scrubbed out of the kennel, the puppies are FAR too old to all still be at the 'breeder's' house, or in his kennel- I love seeing casual photos of a place , they are quite telling if one knows what to look at with a critical eye) and on that video- he doesn't even know what gender 'yellow' is! Who raises a litter and doesn't know what gender their 'yellow collar' is?
I hope you reconsider giving this man your hard earned money. Nothing he states is true re: heritability of HD or ED. Since GRCA was instrumental in OFA even existing, we know from the data they provide that HD is in fact declining due to the clearance process. But I guess this man thinks Dr Schnelle (who speculated (btw was 1945, not 1935, but why be correct when one is waxing on for the benefit of the uneducated?) on a type of subluxation in Cockers being attributed to a recessive gene- this theory that is misinterpreted by the Brubank people is worth banking on so much that who cares on all the homes, children, families whose hearts are broken when he sells them a puppy with HD? And to say SAS is not genetic- that is just completely and totally inaccurate.
I can't even go through the rest of the site. It's disgusting. And the puppies on the bench- they did not come out of any of his dogs, I am sure of that. Compare them to the litters he advertises....not sure where the photo was lifted from but ....
 

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Very expensive, health risky puppies. I would run. If they truly are working with field pedigrees they should by using the DNA test for NCL which is a death sentence by 2 years old and horrifying. But I would guess since puppy production is there goal, they are not in the know about the recent increase in NCL affected dog that hit field pedigrees particularly hard.

This kind of statement taken directly from their site, should make you doubt anything they are saying not to mention their ethics. Bold is my emphasis.

“The trend has been to ignore the scientific studies that have shown over and over that the primary cause of hip, elbow, etc. problems is environmental and NOT genetics. This would therefore GREATLY discount the value of any certifications. (And perhaps put some of these "for profit" organizations out of business?)”

OFA is a not-for-profit.:doh:
 

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It must be sad, to have grown into a whole family that believes everything there for good is actually a conspiracy...
and that the largest breed club in the US are comprised of members who are not able to think for themselves and see what is best for the breed... only this person and his family, who btw requires bloodwork on the puppies going home as a vet check (never ever heard of that), are smart enough to see the big picture.
 

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ROFL, I have not looked at the site yet (about to) but based off what ceegee said was on their site boosting of no health testing and that it's a marketing ploy to charge more money and yet, they are charging just about as much as a breeder that IS doing the health clearances. That is the very definition of talking it of both sides of your mouth.

The ignorance AND arrogance together is both amazing and sickening! Imagine if breeders like this had a comment section on their sites lol

Can't imagine people like this sell dogs when they even bring health testing to every one of their potential buyers
 

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Thank you all for your responses! I'm so glad I posted here, never would have known how important all those points you raised are. Definitely will not be purchasing a dog from them. We are now looking at a different breeder in Southern California who does health clearances and has a lot of reviews (+ is on the AKC marketplace), Blessed Goldens.
Thank you again for all your help!
 

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Thank you all for your responses! I'm so glad I posted here, never would have known how important all those points you raised are. Definitely will not be purchasing a dog from them. We are now looking at a different breeder in Southern California who does health clearances and has a lot of reviews (+ is on the AKC marketplace), Blessed Goldens.
Thank you again for all your help!
You have to be very careful with the AKC Marketplace. All it means is that the puppies are AKC registrable. There is no verification of claims and most breeders on there are not responsible. In fact the one you found is very lacking in the health certifications area. You have to treat all claims skeptically. Always double check those claims.

Here are some visuals that should help. Get the puppy parents registered names and put them in on www.ofa.org.
 

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Thank you all for your responses! I'm so glad I posted here, never would have known how important all those points you raised are. Definitely will not be purchasing a dog from them. We are now looking at a different breeder in Southern California who does health clearances and has a lot of reviews (+ is on the AKC marketplace), Blessed Goldens.
Thank you again for all your help!
FYI - don't take the fact that they are on the AKC Marketplace as an endorsement from the AKC. Pretty much anyone can list their pups there. I would post the name of the kennel you are looking at here (like you did with this one) in a new thread and see what feedback you get. Best of luck!
 

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Here's a good list of reputable breeders in S. Cal

https://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/choosing-golden-retriever-breeder-puppy/468618-southern-california-breeders-list.html
Also check with Golden Retriever Clubs in areas near you and use the search box here for links to threads with N California breeders. It seems daunting but you will find a puppy. Ask any of the reputable breeders for other referrals if they aren't planning on any available litters soon. A well bred puppy is worth the effort and wait. Best wishes.
 

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Blessed Goldens not much better... I only looked @ the first litter they have on AKC but the sire has not the first clearance on OFA nor does the dam (Sweet Eva and Blessed Odin). I'd suggest you find a trustworthy breeder and then worry about a puppy. The breeder is 80% of what you are buying.
 

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May 2020 response: Just wanted to let anyone looking at this know that he has taken "Brubaker" out of the name and is now just "NorCal Golden Retriever Puppies" Same organization, you can see the name "Don Brubaker" on one of the certifications posted.
I was considering buying a pup from him, but glad I found this thread! Will be looking elsewhere to not support a puppy mill type organization.
 
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