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I found a couple of breeders in my current area and was wondering if anyone has heard of Golden Havoc (Golden Havoc Retrievers) in Utah or Hunter's Goldstrike (Hunter's Goldstrike Golden Retrievers) in Colorado. I have to admit that I like the color of the goldenstrike dogs as I've always had a soft spot for the darker colors but I'm not concerned so much about color as I am health. I saw an earlier post on Golden Havoc that was not favorable but that was four years old and I'm not sure if things have changed. Both breeders have a ton of health info on their sites but I have no idea what I'm looking for. Can anyone here help? I'm sort of looking at the Aftershock litter with Golden Havoc. I just found out about Goldstrike and haven't contacted the breeder yet but if I had my pick, I would try to get on the Hope/Ruger waitlist. I thought I'd see if anyone had any info on them before contacting them. Thank you!
 

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First thing I note is the Hunters obviously are not involved in the breed in a meaningful way since they have taken a kennel name long used by Jan Moore Goldstrike Goldens in GA. Their first litter listed- dam Banjo is being bred on prelims. Next Kayla did not pass elbows. This is not a breed I would support, and I did not get past the first 2 bitches.

Golden Havoc- Pedigree: CH Golden Havoc Awe And Inspire is the sire of litter 1 Risky is the dam - both of them have inadequate cardiac exams. Regardless of this, they are more reliable than the Hunter's program imo.
 

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Aftershock litter... McLean shows prelims on k9data but does not have final clearances for hips on OFA. Because elbows have passed I can only assume he failed hips. There are quite a few failed hips in the pedigree.
Ellie looks good.
Thank you! I was wondering about the dad.
 

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First thing I note is the Hunters obviously are not involved in the breed in a meaningful way since they have taken a kennel name long used by Jan Moore Goldstrike Goldens in GA. Their first litter listed- dam Banjo is being bred on prelims. Next Kayla did not pass elbows. This is not a breed I would support, and I did not get past the first 2 bitches.

Golden Havoc- Pedigree: CH Golden Havoc Awe And Inspire is the sire of litter 1 Risky is the dam - both of them have inadequate cardiac exams. Regardless of this, they are more reliable than the Hunter's program imo.
Thanks for the info! It is so kind of you to look over the records. I haven't got the first idea what sort of red flags to look for.
 

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Thanks for the info! It is so kind of you to look over the records. I haven't got the first idea what sort of red flags to look for.
Try contacting the GR group in Houston, Austin & Dallas. Lots of good breeders in TX. All these clubs should be able to provide breeder referrals. Texas is very large and you didn't mention any particular area. Kudos for your continued search. It's worth the trouble, I promise! Because of the Covid mess there is less breeding going on so people can stay at home. But there are still a few so don't give up looking.
 

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Post #24- on that litter: Misty has an inadequate cardiac exam. You can tell that by the "P" at the end of her number, that stands for practitioner. Practitioners are pet vets, not heart specialists. It should say "C" at the end or start with ACA (only cardiologists can use the ACA form and OFA is going to that for all cardiac clearances, all breeds so someday in the near future we won't have to worry about P clearances again) Her PH numbers aren't great but she's not dysplastic.
Tank- his PH numbers are much better than hers- but he was underaged, is not yet 24 months now. The Code specifies 24 months for final clearances. Tank's heart exam is also inadequate, and he has no eye exam on OFA.

Are you looking for a hunting companion?
 

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Try contacting the GR group in Houston, Austin & Dallas. Lots of good breeders in TX. All these clubs should be able to provide breeder referrals. Texas is very large and you didn't mention any particular area. Kudos for your continued search. It's worth the trouble, I promise! Because of the Covid mess there is less breeding going on so people can stay at home. But there are still a few so don't give up looking.
I'm in the Dallas area but new there so I don't know anyone (which is why I've been looking in my home state of Utah because at least I know the area and where the towns are). I'm willing to drive anywhere though. Covid is definitely complicating things, but I'm not in a rush to get a new pup. I know the process takes a long time so I figured I'd get started on it now. Hopefully by the time I find a breeder and they have pups ready, I'll be ready to let another furball in my life.
 

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Post #24- on that litter: Misty has an inadequate cardiac exam. You can tell that by the "P" at the end of her number, that stands for practitioner. Practitioners are pet vets, not heart specialists. It should say "C" at the end or start with ACA (only cardiologists can use the ACA form and OFA is going to that for all cardiac clearances, all breeds so someday in the near future we won't have to worry about P clearances again) Her PH numbers aren't great but she's not dysplastic.
Tank- his PH numbers are much better than hers- but he was underaged, is not yet 24 months now. The Code specifies 24 months for final clearances. Tank's heart exam is also inadequate, and he has no eye exam on OFA.

Are you looking for a hunting companion?
Man, there is so much nuance to these numbers. Definitely not something you can pick up casually I'm finding out. Thank you again for your help! I'm not planning to hunt the dog (I've never even shot a gun), but I was thinking it might be fun to train for shed hunting. My last two were closer to field line dogs though and had a ton of energy and loved to carry things around in their mouths. I loved that! I talked to one breeder who came highly recommended who was all for me getting one of their pups but when they found out I want a dog to go do things with me (like hiking, camping, jogging, long walks) seemed to think that show goldens should only be for braiding their fur and telling them their lovely and that I was being unreasonable expecting my dog to ... well, dog. This seemed ridiculous to me as one of the great things about GRs is they are always wanting to go adventure with me and as a golden owner for 20 years I know this breed will LOVE our lifestyle (everyone who meets my dogs remarks that they are happiest dogs they've ever seen). I'm still pretty salty about the whole exchange and thought that if that was the prevailing opinion with show breeders, maybe I should look more to field line. I dunno, I'm just rambling at this point. Maybe I should just give up and get a cat ... (joking. Although I have a cat and she is awesome. Nothing against cats). Trying hard not to get frustrated.
 

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I don't think that's the prevailing opinion with show breeders - pretty much all of my friends who show their dogs also take their dogs on hikes and let them swim, get muddy, and just be a dog. I honestly don't know any dog person who doesn't go out and get dirty with their dogs. I'd bet most breeders would love if one of their puppies went on to live a life like that.
 

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I don't know the dam and sire yet because I'm pretty sure I'll be put on a waiting list but here is the breeder I've been thinking about Nalyns Goldens – Golden Retrievers Wisconsin I've been looking all over the Utah/Idaho area but have only found BYB and people looking to make a quick buck to fund their kids' after school activites. I don't want to support that sort of breeding in any way.
Look up Nalyns Goldens on the forum. I think you will want to pass.
 

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Hello again,
I posted earlier that I was looking for a breeder who wasn't a psycho or a puppy mill and was striking out big time. A friend of mine suggested an out of state breeder and based on the website, it looks like a good place but because of covid and the distance I can't go check the place out in person which is what I would usually do. So I was wondering if there is anyone here that knows how to interpret OFA and health clearances, just to make sure I'm not missing something.

Side note: why is it so hard to find responsible breeders?!? Some of the places I've found have made me downright sick. These poor dogs deserve better.
You might want to check with your local Golden Retriever Club for referrals. Also If you meet someone with a nice Golden, ask him/her where the dog came from and what the buying experience was like. You should be able to weed out the "psychos" by having a phone conversation in which you ask good, open-ended questions. Also, consider an older dog who needs a good home. They are wonderful. Good luck!
 
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