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If I could find a golden/red golden breeder,in France,I would get another one,in a heartbeat.
Do any of you know of breeders that breed reddish goldens instead of cream one?.
I love the American golden over the english/european one!.
Thanks for yr help,Laurie
 

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Laurie, when I was looking for my Biewer Yorkies (Germany) I searched the internet and found all the registries I could, then wrote them directly for referrals. Think I sent out about 20 letters, but many took time to help & gave me a place to start. I know there are gold-goldens there, but you might have to do lots of homework to find them. You might try the field/hunting clubs or conformation shows for help as they usually have a directory of those who attend. I know the field lines are usually darker so possibly a place to start??

Funny how different. Here the lighter goldens are not commonly seen in many areas, whereas our gold/red ones are less common overseas. I have 2 light goldens now, but my heart and soul will always be to our med golden and red boy at the bridge.

Good luck in your search, this will be fun!!
 

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Are you looking for a European looking dog with a darker coat, or an American looking Golden?

Two very reputable French breeders, who breed for show and field have some darker dogs are Rayleas and Bois De La Rayere.
 

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You could check with Rayleas Goldens. Some of their dogs are mid-gold--not red, but not super-pale either.

There are a couple of working breeders in Europe who have imported NA working lines, so they tend to have darker dogs--you may have to go outside of France though. And UK working lines still tend to have the darker dogs. A lot of them do not tend to have websites, but here are a few:
Way Outs Working Golden Retriever Kennel - Home
Gortons golden retrievers
Canburne Gundogs for Golden Retrievers of sound temperament and proven working ability
Dreamweaver Working Goldens Index © 2004 - 2011
 

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England is only a train away and when I got Gaia,she was on the border of Fr & Switzerland so a day in train.
I am not in a hurry as I want the right breeder and dog.
My ideal dog is a Tobie golden type.A dog who is dual purpose.
This is a breeder that I was checking:
Barley Mow of Clan Buchanan
Wonder what you think of her!.
She has 2 girls that are more golden:Virginia Walter & Cotton
The site is in English if you go on the British flag.
 

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They have not done elbows on their dogs which has become pretty standard in Europe as well, and they have not done the genetic PRA testing from what I can see. Hearts are not commonly checked in the UK and Europe, so you will not likely find that with anyone, but I would want to see elbows done and the genetic test for PRA1 now that it is available.
 

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Not sure they would be a favourite of mine when there are so many to research from, with traits like ' have a go at anything character has landed her in a few scraps' and 'Ichthyosis carrier' with Cotton and 'Ichthyosis carrier' with Virginia. I would definately prefer a different colour with a better golden temperament and minus the worries of a horrible frustrating skin complaint that will be miserable for both dog and owner :(
http://www.rvc.ac.uk/CIC/documents/icthyosis_000.pdf
I thought it was recommended that dogs carrying this shouldnt be bred from so I am a little confused but maybe someone will put me right there as I am only a novice in all this, I just read up on things of interest but it can be muddling.
 

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Results from PRA testing are only just coming through and although there are cases in Europe and Scandinavia, according to the eye specialist I spoke to, it seems very uncommon in UK goldens even though all the European dogs go back to UK goldens anyway! We know that, as all our eye test results are published automatically and I cannot remember seeing a PRA failure for a very long time.
Elly, if a dog is carrying ichthyosis it should be mated to a clear dog so that the puppies born will be clear or carriers but not affected. Hope that makes sense. If the orignal poster wants a US bred golden there are lines in Italy that have that breeding. Annef
 

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Yes thanks Anne, I just came back to rectify that having read a bit more into it last night as it bugged me there must be more to it. I would still rather a different colour and less risk of a have a go attitude with scraps and vet visits though! Just my opinion and preference but its one big reason I have a GR :)
 

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PRA is generally a late onset disease, which means that affected dogs may only start to have deterioration AFTER their breeding lives are done, at which point many people no longer do eye checks. There may well be cases of PRA which general practise vets attribute to deterioration of vision with age. I have a friend here with a PRA affected dog--the opthamologist caught it on the CERF exam, the regular vet did not in routine care--one side of the pedigree is entirely UK import, so the gene has to be there, since it is autosomal recessive in inheritance. RasData still has new cases being reported in there results so it IS out there. The test is available--I would want to know this status--why risk producing affecteds when we have a clear means to avoid it? It is surprising what the results show when testing is done--someone else I know with a dog of American show lines just had a dog come back a carrier for prcd-PRA which we thought was primarily a North American field trial line issue, and because of that a lot of show people had not been testing for it--well surprise, surprise! Of course there is also the third form for which we do not yet have a DNA marker test.

Many people also thought Ichthy was rare, but the results being posted in GoldenDNA are showing that it is far more common than we may have expected. And it is showing up in all sorts of lines--UK lines, American show lines, field lines. Again, it is recessive in mode of inheritance so we can breed around it intelligently by not breeding carrier to carrier or affected to carrier.
 

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Yes I agree with what you say but many of our stud dgs are tested well into old age and yes it must come from UK lines but the fact remains that it is not being diagnosed by opthalmic specialists in the UK and surely as breeders when we keep in touch with our puppies until they have passed away we would know if they went blind!
I am really pleased to say that one of my breeding has just been passed as clear- results still not available from his sire even though the swab was taken months ago.
Ichthyosis is quite common I think. Annef
 

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I am glad to hear people in the UK are starting to use the test. I have a mix of UK, European, and older North American lines in my pedigrees. I breed to a dog based on whether the pedigrees fit and the dog has what I am looking for structurally, in workability, and temperamentally. More information about the status of dogs is really power in making good breeding decisions, and incorporating bloodlines that may not be as common on one side of the pond, opr the other!
I have a boy who is prcd-PRA clear, a carrier for PRA1, and he had an uncle with the same status who was also affected with the form for which we do not have a marker yet. My boy's parents are gone, and his uncle's parent's were also gone and unavailable for testing. It is a blended pedigree, so without that information on the progenitors it becomes very difficult to trace where it is being passed along.

With the other, recently affected dog I know, whose sire line is all UK bred, the breeder of the sire has unfortunately not been co-operative in getting her dogs tested. She is still insisting she does not have THAT problem because she has never experienced an affected dog herself--but obviously the dog had to be a carrier to produce the problem. The lab really needs blood samples from his parents to do the research. I fear that this third form may be more prevalent than PRA-1
 

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In Fr,they do not test for Elbow Dys.
Thanks for yr feed backs and will keep searching.
I am not,in a hurry.
The color is a nice to have but not a must.
 

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With the topic of Elbow dysplasia, it seems that I am getting the feeling that many breeders in Europe do not take it very seriously. Is this the case? I have heard our grade I's would be acceptable in Europe to breed (and I know some breeders here would use a dog under special circumstances with a grade I, it isn't commonly done). But in France they don't test for heart or elbow problems? Do they not have those problems, or do they just have less strict breeding guidelines?
 

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KDOWNINGXC:
I can only judge for Fr but I know that in most breeds,only: HD,eyes,thyroid and heart are tested for.
Titus:my boy is tested for both Hip & Elbow displegia cos he was done,in the States.
 
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