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So my wife and I are going to look at a Golden puppy tomorrow. The breeder is a vet that also owns a horse farm.

The Sire/Dam are both OFA certified for their hips.
She says she does yearly checks on the Sire/Dam for their heart and eyes.

She has been breeding for 40 yrs according to her.

I think the breeder is a general vet and not a specialist. Would that concern anyone?
 

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If she has documented current clearances, hip, eye, heart, elbow, I don't think the fact that she is a general vet would be a concern. Was there a reason it concerned you?
 

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Is your concern that she may be doing her own health checks of her own breed stock? Just ask her who she takes her dogs to for hearts and eyes!
 

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Our Golden that passed away didn't have any clearances. The breeder stated she has not had any problems with her litters. She also has no contract.
 

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I think I would trust a vet/breeder to do the right thing. You might start another thread and just ask does anyone know anything about this breeder. Or get him or her to show you the clearances.
 

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Eye checks.... CERF checks need to be done by an opthalmologist. We just had our girls CERF checked and they do have issues which our regular vet could not detect. CERF needs to be done yearly. Heart checks again need to be done by a specialist.. cardiologist.
 

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Eye checks.... CERF checks need to be done by an opthalmologist. We just had our girls CERF checked and they do have issues which our regular vet could not detect. CERF needs to be done yearly. Heart checks again need to be done by a specialist.. cardiologist.
I agree with this. Maybe you could nudge just a little to get clarity on how the heart and eyes are tested.
 

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A general vet is not qualified to do eye clearances-it requires a specialist to do that. While generalists can do heart clearances, it is not preferred.

Has she done OFA clearances on elbows?

Personally, I would not buy a puppy from this person, vet or not, if elbows have not been done and certified by OFA. Given the prevalence of eye problems in Goldens, I would also not buy a puppy from parents who have not had regular CERF exams by a specialist.

Just being a vet does not confer god-like status upon a person. One of the worst "breeders" I have ever met was a vet. He was known for the aggressive temperaments on his dogs and did not do the basic 4 clearances, feeling he could judge his dogs health. I remember Sally's Mom saying that she will not do her dogs hearts-she takes them to a cardiologist for that clearance. She also goes to an opthamologist for eyes.

Now, that said, vets who are also good breeders would be wonderful resources for puppy buyers-Sally's Mom and Iowa Gold on this Forum come to mind.
 

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Veterinarians are people first - with all the same human foibles as the rest of us...
They are not exempt from puppy buyers guides simply because they went to vet school.
 
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A general vet is not qualified to do eye clearances-it requires a specialist to do that. While generalists can do heart clearances, it is not preferred.

Given the prevalence of eye problems in Goldens, I would also not buy a puppy from parents who have not had regular CERF exams by a specialist.

Just being a vet does not confer god-like status upon a person. One of the worst "breeders" I have ever met was a vet. He was known for the aggressive temperaments on his dogs and did not do the basic 4 clearances, feeling he could judge his dogs health. I remember Sally's Mom saying that she will not do her dogs hearts-she takes them to a cardiologist for that clearance. She also goes to an opthamologist for eyes.

Now, that said, vets who are also good breeders would be wonderful resources for puppy buyers-Sally's Mom and Iowa Gold on this Forum come to mind.

We just spent $3500 on double cataract surgery for our Golden Toby yesterday. While we adopted him from a rescue, he is definitely a testament for breeders doing the CERFS on their breeding dogs. He was turned into rescue as a young puppy (with his AKC papers) when his congenital cataract was first discovered.
 

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Eye checks.... CERF checks need to be done by an opthalmologist. We just had our girls CERF checked and they do have issues which our regular vet could not detect. CERF needs to be done yearly. Heart checks again need to be done by a specialist.. cardiologist.
I agree 100% - heart checks cannot be done by the vet putting the stethoscope up to the dogs chest & "VOILA" the heart check is done! Many breeders actually use this as promoting that a heart check has been done. Same with eyes. Check the paperwork!
 

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Proper clearance rules apply to everyone. OFA Hips, OFA Elbows, Heart cardiologist clear, CERF opthamologist cleared eyes every year. Good Luck
 

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I would like to trust vets but experience has taught me not to assume anything.

One of the local vets is a puppy miller. There are many neglect cases open against him. Another vet we've seen doesn't know anything about clearances! Lastly a vet in Ontario tried to sell me BYBd puppies...
 

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I AM a general vet. I do the OFA rads and send them into OFA, I take blood on my dogs and send it into OFA. HOWEVER, an ophthalmologist clears my dogs's eyes and a cardiologist does the hearts!!
 
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IN fact, a dog I bred to 4years ago had a practitioner clearance. Before I bred to him, I offered to pay for a cardiologist clearance.. but his owners did it instead. He did have a murmur, but it was not significant(they let me speak to the cardiologist). The GP did not pick up on the heart murmur.
 
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