I do, too! Maybe there is a link...although my aversion to the signs started before my goofed up two contact lens vision. 🤪
I have one stronger contact lens and one weaker, which works great for reading and seeing at a distance.
That was fun to watch. Hawthorn did well and looks happy!You should absolutely do BN first. Of the three "intermediate" titles (BN, GN, GO) AKC added a few years ago, BN is, by far, the most useful. GO has its uses; GN is a complete waste of an entry fee. Almost all high-level trainers I know do BN first. It is a great way for you to truly assess where your dog is in a "safe" way. The dog has a leash attached at all times except for the short recall. That takes away the stress of worrying that your dog will leave the ring, although I have seen a dog or two make a break for it on the recall. Rare, because in the crowded, scary confines of a trial, most dogs go to their owner for security.
Coincidentally, I showed my youngster, Hawthorn, for the very first time last weekend. I showed him in BN one day and RN the second. Since it was his first time in the ring, I had someone video the BN run. He NQ'd on the recall. He came when the judge said "Call your dog" instead of waiting for me, but I didn't care about the NQ. I wanted him to have a good experience and I wanted to see how he reacted to the ring environment. My goal is an OTCH, not a BN.
Re: Not beginning to train Open until you have a Novice leg. OMG, that advice is so, so wrong, wrong, wrong. Whatever your highest training goal is, you train with that title in mind from day one, especially if you're working on OB titles. Novice Obedience is essentially heeling, with a couple of other minor things thrown in. It takes 6 months to a year to teach a competition level heel and you will be working on heeling for your dogs entire OB career. It takes about a year to teach the Open exercises well enough to compete with a decent score. It takes a year or two to teach the Utility exercises. If you teach the levels sequentially: A) your dog will be well into middle or old age before you finish Utility and B) You will be really bored with only teaching heeling for the first year. I suggest, at a minimum, picking two of the Open and one of the Utility exercises to work on while you're training for Novice. If you know for sure that your goal is at least UD, start working on those go-outs TODAY.
Hawthorn's first BN run. There is plenty to work on, but his attitude was good.
Oh. Yes. Thanks for the reminder. We worked on some command discrimination. It’s just been a bit and I’ve been more focused on what we are doing in this class. And on field training. And back on agility.I agree with this.
When first taking classes with people who had dogs working on gloves and jumps in novice class, I remember being bewildered about WHY I would train these things if I didn't know if my dog would even get there. I believe that training for the higher levels can first take the mystery of what you got in your dog out of the equation.... and seeing the relationship between all 3 levels of obedience, it made sense training each of those exercises with the highest level in mind. And then some of the higher level exercises take a million reps before they are ring worthy....
I'm doing that a little with open signals with both my dogs - am either doing no verbals or quickly fading them. The benefit of that is when taking the open/utility classes as I am with Jovi, he can do the utility signals without any problem. I just have a slight quandary as to whether I want to practice the recall signal right now. I am not sure if it would cause problems with the open signals where I want a stay until I return....
@diane0905 - that is an old list. Open has been greatly changed because they got rid of the stays and replaced with command discrimination and a basic stand stay (dog does stand stay in center of the ring while you go get the leash from the ring entrance).
I'm on the waiting list and hopefully will get in and start in January.I meant to also say you could join Obedience Road. That’s Connie’s online platform and she’s very interactive via new content — video instruction and webinars. She answers individual questions via videos also.
Rally is supposed to be an introduction to Obedience. When you get to the Master level, there's obvious getting ready for Utility exercises in the mix. I can't stand how much talking is allowed. I have seen people leaning over their dogs begging them to do things in Master and getting good scores! I feel there should be deductions for excessive handling. A dog that is excessively handled and accidently does things should never receive a better score than a dog who is held to a much higher standard and makes one mistake. (It's happened to me) Most people in Rally would struggle in Obedience.Rally... I do not think was ever intended to be an intro to regular obedience. It was more about giving people with retired dogs who could not jump full height something else to do rather than completely retire + they also wanted it to be a cross between obedience and agility. When it was initially introduced at the place where I trained, I'm not sure if the exercises were different at the start or what, but we had more exercises and jumps from agility set up on a rally course. You had more overt handling and talking allowed, etc.... which made it more difficult to then jump into novice because you were shaving away everything for the most part that made rally easier than regular obedience.
Now they have bumped up the difficulty in rally, so I'm not sure how it compares or leads into obedience.... other than people do have issues fading the handling and verbal praise/encouragement/etc from rally to regular obedience. There's people who might get a 100 in rally struggling to Q in the 170's.
I’m sure many would be happy to look at your videos. I would for sure!Following this thread. I would LOVE to get into OB but am high-anxiety and Colt responds to my stress by running off to visit the judge. We’ve been getting a lot better but it is slow progress. We’re doing Rally Intermediate in November and I’ve considered entering BN but get cold feet when I stare at the premium. I might need to have a couple of you review a video or two of us practicing the course 🤣
Agility is our biggest issue with visiting, but because he’s amped— in OB he visits as a stress avoidance lol. I appreciate the advice!I’m sure many would be happy to look at your videos. I would for sure!
I used to have terrible stage fright — like knees shaking — and I forced myself to do a couple of fitness contests where I had to get on a stage in a bikini and hooker heels. Lolol My knees WERE shaking before I headed out, but at that moment it was sink or swim and I swam.
That was just me though — I’m sure a dog notices when their owner handler is nervous. I say prepare yourself and just go out there and do it. (I have not yet, so take that advice for what it is. Hahaha It sounds like you have more experience than I do.) I figure that’s the best way to conquer the nerves. When I’ve volunteered, people seemed real kind to the people who didn’t do as well.
I think my biggest fear of my dog going to visit a judge would be in agility because they are so amped up. In field training, he’s free and running away from me also, but he likes the duck more than the gunners so far And seems proud to bring it back to me. That being said, I do sense a difference in how Logan behaves somewhat if he is in a wide open space than when he is in a room full of other dogs. He’s getting much better the older he gets and the more he is exposed to the atmosphere.
If you’d like any more advice from an inexperienced person, I’m here.![]()
Congratulations! Pretty boy. He looks so sweet sitting there with his ribbons.In a "this could be your dog too" fashion, just sharing that my Gleezy got his BN title today, finishing with a 196 score. He had a 199 score (almost perfect) until the end when I called him to front and he ended up trying to do an auto-finish before remembering to come back up in front and sat very crooked. He lost 3 points there, but all in all was very pleased with the run and after he gets his insurance leg in a show already entered, planning to bump him up to novice and see about getting his CD completed this year. Maybe.
Regarding should you enter BN or not.. if your dog is running to visit the judge in training, then you know what you need to proof and work on right now to eliminate prior to entering him. But working through this problem - it means a matter of weeks to fix - and entering enough fun matches and drop in obedience classes with trainers who know what you are trying to stop from happening.
Well, a few thousand NQs in Open and Utility will get you past the stage fright <g>.Following this thread. I would LOVE to get into OB but am high-anxiety and Colt responds to my stress by running off to visit the judge. We’ve been getting a lot better but it is slow progress. We’re doing Rally Intermediate in November and I’ve considered entering BN but get cold feet when I stare at the premium. I might need to have a couple of you review a video or two of us practicing the course 🤣
My competition obedience class trainers today asked the class if anyone was planning on getting a BN or were there some going straight to CD.
I said CD and one said that’s what she did and the other said she trialed for her BN and CD on the same day.
What think ye? Y’all?
Thank you. I suppose I need to think more about long term goals. Being new at all of this, I’ve been doing a sampler platter of sorts as far as what we are training to title in. I’ve been hoping I can get Logan‘s novice titles — which for us in my head are these in this order WC (GRCA), JH, CD sometime in his three year old year and his NA (probably this spring — maybe later.) We got a late pandemic start and I’m green to all of this.I think it completely depends on the dog you have, no hard fast rules in my book, what are your goals? I like to train long and trial short. My dogs are trained several levels above where they need to be the first time I enter the ring. Train the dog in front of you and have fun 😊