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Well Blarney has blotted his book we where out today with all 3 he was on the lead and he met a dog he has met before and he was ok then he growled at him then just lunged at him and would not let go.

My Ray got bitten getting him off the other dog which was a friendly young JRT.

Lucky they were very nice people and they understood about Blarney.

Then tonight he growled and would have gone for another older Scottie we have phoned the Dogs trust for advice and they will be in touch.

It just seems to be dogs and yes Blarney has been castrated.

We think he has Staffie in him by his head and now by the way he holds onto another dog and will not let go.

If anyone has any advice please we done want to give up on him as he loves my 2 girls.
 

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Oww Maggie I am so sorry to read this I cant give any advise but hope that others can,I know how attached you Ray and the girls have become to Blarney.
 

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Oh I am so sorry to hear this. Do you think there is something medical going on? Im sorry I have no advice. Hope you get to the bottom of this and are able to fix it!
 

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Sorry to hear this to. I don't have any experience of dogs like this but I am sure if anyone can sort it, you 2 can. Thankfully, he loves your 2, phew! Hope someone can give you some sound advice.
 

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Sorry to hear this to. I don't have any experience of dogs like this but I am sure if anyone can sort it, you 2 can. Thankfully, he loves your 2, phew! Hope someone can give you some sound advice.
He is such a lovely dog we will not give up on him but that attack today he ment it but with us and the girls he is so good :crossfing we don't mind getting bitten :uhoh: but never wish it on another dog.
 

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So sorry Maggie, I know how horrible it is when your dog has a go at another. I have had some experience with Harry although not as serious. He has only ever warned dogs away and never got hold of one....but he does sound a nasty bugger when he does it and it isn't nice. I have more or less stopped it from happening by knowing him inside out and understanding exactly the situation that causes it. For Harry it is purely nervousness around other dogs...he hates it when they sniff at him for ages and he doesn't like young dogs that bounce around and try and play rough. Just by looking at approaching dogs I can tell how he will respond to them and luckily he has a good recall so I just call him back. If a dog has run at him and jumping around him when Harry is at my side then to be honest I don't mind if he tells them off a little. Hopefully with the help of a the Dogs trust you can work out exactly what is going through Blarneys mind when he attacks. You could also try a soft muzzle perhaps to make sure other dogs are safe until you get to know him better and understand his issues. Hope you get some help with him!
 

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I'm sorry. That's a rough, I'll be interested in hearing what happens. They may be able to put you in contact with a veterinary behaviorist or vet specialist...

"Holding on" is not a trait specific to one breed type... and it's part of the predation cycle (..."DOGS: by Lorna and Ray Coppinger has a chapter on the predation cycle (....cycle? Path? I can't remember their terminology!)). My golden will do that with objects at times. Her really, seriously, cannot let go...he's stuck like that for a while. You can put cats on his head, drop bacon and steak in front of his nose.

Ask the Dogs Trust for resources on how to break up a dog fight, how to use citronella spray (...hopefully you have that available? Here it's called "Direct stop", comes in a can and I always take it on walks!), how to use a break stick, and on management techniques. (...take an umbrella, throw treats at the offending dog, how to plan your walks so you aren't likely to come across loose dogs.

In the mean time... manage any trips outside very closely. Teach him to love wearing a muzzle, and to walk with a gentle leader/other type of head collar. Do not resume walks without assistance and without preventative measures in place...get a professional to show you how to do all of this.

That's a super rough situation. I've been around a serious dog fight where there were -many- professional trainers present and who all had education on what to do...yet there was still a moment of complete panic from everyone. It sounds like you handled the situation better!

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I'd go with Emma on this one. JRT's can be right little buggers, I'd try a muzzle while you work out how to stop him, you may even have to keep him on his lead if he wont behave. Good luck with him !!!!
 

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I agree with Emma, Dave and RedDogs too. A soft muzzle is a good idea for his own good and that of the dogs he meets! Not to mention you and Ray!!
 

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I'm sorry. That's a rough, I'll be interested in hearing what happens. They may be able to put you in contact with a veterinary behaviorist or vet specialist...

"Holding on" is not a trait specific to one breed type... and it's part of the predation cycle (..."DOGS: by Lorna and Ray Coppinger has a chapter on the predation cycle (....cycle? Path? I can't remember their terminology!)). My golden will do that with objects at times. Her really, seriously, cannot let go...he's stuck like that for a while. You can put cats on his head, drop bacon and steak in front of his nose.

Ask the Dogs Trust for resources on how to break up a dog fight, how to use citronella spray (...hopefully you have that available? Here it's called "Direct stop", comes in a can and I always take it on walks!), how to use a break stick, and on management techniques. (...take an umbrella, throw treats at the offending dog, how to plan your walks so you aren't likely to come across loose dogs.

In the mean time... manage any trips outside very closely. Teach him to love wearing a muzzle, and to walk with a gentle leader/other type of head collar. Do not resume walks without assistance and without preventative measures in place...get a professional to show you how to do all of this.

That's a super rough situation. I've been around a serious dog fight where there were -many- professional trainers present and who all had education on what to do...yet there was still a moment of complete panic from everyone. It sounds like you handled the situation better!

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Thanks we love the little ********* we hope to get to the bottom of it but because he is a rescue we don't no his back ground.
He is good with food you can take it out his mouth and if we say NO he knows we mean it indoors its just other dogs not bitches we had just met another little JRT a bitch she was off the lead and he was fine with her no problems at all.
 

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Well Maggie, failing all else, remember........................teeth?!?! You know what i mean. No problem is unsolvable!
 

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Well Maggie, failing all else, remember........................teeth?!?! You know what i mean. No problem is unsolvable!
Patsy i did say that to Ray it would take an lot for him to go back to DT bit me yes but not other dogs or my girls :)
 

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Maggie - I am so sorry to hear this.

Copper was male dog aggressive when I got him. That was one of the reasons the GR rescue would not take him.

He would grab and hold on. I could break it up with a waterhose or by grabbing his muzzle and prying his teeth apart since he never tried to bite me, but it was scary as all heck. He would not let go if you didn't hose him down or pry him off and I believe he is all golden so it is not breed based.

When was Blarney neutered? Was it recently? Copper was probably about 5 when I got him and he had not been neutered at that time. They said it would take a couple of months for the testosterone to get out of his system.

It took about two years of training before he became "pretty" reliable around other males, but there were always ones that just set him off (and I have no idea why - they were not aggressive) and he would go for them.

My best guess is that he had not been socialized before I got him (the chain embedded in his neck was a HUGE clue) and he just did not know how to behave well. I could not let him off leash or even let him greet another male for years. He too has always been good with the ladies and most other males. It seems that friendly labs were the ones he hated the most!

You've gotten some good advice on here and I hope you can settle Mr. Blarney down. I know you love him and the girls do too. Good luck!
 

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Is he drawing blood or just being a butt head? If he's not drawing blood, he is more about the spat than a real fight. When they mean it, they mean it and draw blood. I'm sorry, it stinks to have an unsociable dog. It may mean that you have to keep him on leash at all times. I would also consider NILIF, so he knows that you don't need him to be in control because you are in control.
 

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I am sorry that Blarney was a bad boy today. Hopefully the behaviorist will have some answers for you and him. He has had so many new things going on in his life that maybe it is just alittle much for him so fast.
 

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Thanks for all the advice i took him out this morning it was early and we don't meet any dogs.
Yesterday was like a step backwards he was doing so well :( the other dog just had a nip on the nose so no blood really except Rays fingers.
We know not to tense up when we meet other dogs and i would say 7 out of 10 times he is ok but we don't know if maybe he has been attacked before and tends to be a bit on guard at the moments and Teresa he was castrated in December 2009 so maybe a few months time he will be better.
Dogs trust are coming round Friday and we think it may be a muzzle till we can trust him a bit more so :crossfing as he is such a lovely little dog really.
 

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Maggie, so sorry that Blarney has blotted his copy book - think the muzzle idea might help, but I would go for the basket type muzzle as it allows the dog to pant and eat and drink if necessary. Was he on or off the lead when he attacked the other dogs? I would wait and see what the Dogs Trust says, it may be that he has a problem with Males as opposed to bitches.

Hope that you can get the little bugger sorted,
 

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Blimey Maggie I'm so sorry to hear this. I would definitely consider the muzzle for when you have to take him out, poor Ray, hope his bitten fingers will heal quickly...

At least the Dogs Trust should take this issue seriously and maybe help you by way of a behaviourist to solve the issue. A worrying time for you both....:(
 

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Maggie, so sorry that Blarney has blotted his copy book - think the muzzle idea might help, but I would go for the basket type muzzle as it allows the dog to pant and eat and drink if necessary. Was he on or off the lead when he attacked the other dogs? I would wait and see what the Dogs Trust says, it may be that he has a problem with Males as opposed to bitches.

Hope that you can get the little bugger sorted,
He was on a lose lead we can't trust him off just yet to many rabbit holes and badger sets he could get down but i am 99% sure he will be better when we can let him off the lead and was just having a little sniff then all hell broke lose and the other dog a very tiny JRT was also on the lead :crossfing its just dogs i hope not bitches as that morning we had just meet a JRT bitch she was off the lead and came straight upto Blarney no problem at all.
Dogs trust did say they had mixed him with other dogs but mainly bitches as you know he used to growl at Daisy but he has more or less stopped that now.

And Charlie bless her was trying to kiss everyone after the fight :) how can you not love Charlie as naughty as she is.
 

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Blimey Maggie I'm so sorry to hear this. I would definitely consider the muzzle for when you have to take him out, poor Ray, hope his bitten fingers will heal quickly...

At least the Dogs Trust should take this issue seriously and maybe help you by way of a behaviourist to solve the issue. A worrying time for you both....:(

Tanya it really upset poor Ray and shook him up he has really taken to Blarney and still loves him i just hope we can sort him out it won't be for lack of trying and his fingers not to bad as we have always said we would rather get bitten then another dog get bitten we both have a few scars to show.
I am just thankfull the people with the other dog where understanding
 
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