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Has anyone ever used Authority Dog Food? I was at Petsmart today and saw two people buying it. Looking at the price it is cheaper than ProPlan but I dont know if it is worse or better. I dont know much about dog food but if I an save money and still save some money it would be nice, especially in this economy. Here are the ingredients for the Authority Adult dry Food with chicken

Ingredients:
  • Mini Chunk: Chicken, Chicken Meal, Brown Rice, Corn, Oat Groats, Corn Gluten Meal, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Dried Beet Pulp, Natural Flavor, Canola Oil, Dried Egg Product, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Vitamin and Mineral Supplements (Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Ascorbic Acid), Copper Sulfate, Vitamin A Supplement, Manganese Sulfate, Niacin, D Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Riboflavin, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamin Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Sodium Selenite, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement).
  • Chunk: Chicken, Chicken Meal, Brown Rice, Corn, Oat Groats, Corn Gluten Meal, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Dried Beet Pulp, Natural Flavor, Canola Oil, Dried Egg Product, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Vitamin and Mineral Supplements( Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Ascorbic Acid), Copper Sulfate, Vitamin A Supplement, Manganese Sulfate, Niacin, D Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Riboflavin, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamin Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Sodium Selenite, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement).
Guaranteed Analysis:
  • Mini Chunk: Crude Protein (min) 26.0%, Crude Fat (min) 14.0%, Crude Fiber (max) 4.0%, Moisture (max) 10.0%, Calcium (min) 1.1%, Phosphorus (min) 1.0%, Zinc (min) 175mg/kg, Selenium (min) 0.15mg/kg, Vitamin A (min) 15,000 IU/kg, Vitamin E (min) 225 IU/kg, Omega-6 Fatty Acids (min) 3.0%*, Omega-3 Fatty Acids (min) .25%*, Vitamin C (min) 20 mg/kg*.
  • Chunk: Crude Protein (min) 26.0%, Crude Fat (min) 14.0%, Crude Fiber (max) 4.0%, Moisture (max) 10.0%, Calcium (min) 1.1%, Phosphorus (min) 1.0%, Zinc (min) 175mg/kg, Selenium (min) 0.15mg/kg, Vitamin A (min) 15,000 IU/kg, Vitamin E (min) 225 IU/kg, Omega-6 Fatty Acids (min) 3.0%*, Omega-3 Fatty Acids (min) 0.25%*, Vitamin C (min) 20 mg/kg*.
* Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profile.

Calorie Content:
  • Mini Chunk: 3,730 kcal/kg metabolizable energy (calculated)
  • Chunk: 3,730 kcal/kg metabolizable energy (calculated)
Here is the Purina Pro Plan Chicken and Rice Adult
Ingredients
Chicken, poultry meal (natural source of glucosamine), wholegrain wheat, corn gluten meal, wholegrain corn, animal fat, rice, oats, soybean meal, calcium carbonate, ionized salt, potassium chloride, cereal by-product, choline chloride, vitamin E supplement, fish meal, zinc sulphate, iron sulphate, ascorbic acid (source of vitamin C), natural antioxidant, niacin, manganous oxide, copper sulphate, pantothenic mononitrate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride, cobalt carbonate, vitamin B12 supplement, menadione sodium bisulphate complex (source of vitamin K activity), folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement, potassium iodide, biotin, natural flavours, whole egg.
Calorie Content
Metabolisable Energy (ME) 4371 kcal/kg or 489 kcal/cup
Feeds Per Bag
54 feeds per 15kg bag*
* Based on approx feed for average size dog weighing 22.5kg

GUARANTEED ANALYSISCrude Protein (Min)26.0%Phosphorous (Min)0.8%Crude Fat (Min)15.0%Vitamin A (Min)15,000 IU/kgMoisture (Max)12.0%Vitamin E (Min)460 IU/kgCrude Ash (Max)7.5%Selenium (Min)0.3 mg/kgCrude Fibre (Max)3.0%Ascorbic Acid* (Min)70 mg/kgSalt (Max)1.0%Glucosamine* (Min)400 ppmLinoleic Acid (Min)1.4%Glutamine
 

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Those who I know who switched their dogs to Authority had real problems with it, and switched back to their regular foods. Poor coats, excessive, soft stool were the main complaints.
 

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I haven't tried Authority for my dogs and don't know anyone who has fed it. That said, Authority gets a thumbs up over the Pro Plan in my book for not including the following ingredients: unnamed "poultry meal", unnamed "animal fat" soybean meal, cereal by-products and menadione.

How well any given dog will do on one product versus the other is anyone's guess. If you're searching for a less expensive kibble than Pro Plan that you feel comfortable trying, consider Healthwise formulas by Natura. They cost about $1 per lb. (less than Pro Plan) and have had a good track record with many dog owners. Check this link to see where it might be sold in your area since Petco and Petsmart don't carry them.
http://www.naturapet.com/where-to-buy/

Healthwise Chicken Meal and Oatmeal Adult
Chicken Meal, Oatmeal, Brown Rice, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, a Natural Source of Vitamin E), Pea Fiber, Flaxseed, Natural Flavors, Salt, Herring Oil, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Betaine Hydrochloride, Vitamin A Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Beta Carotene, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin, Folic Acid), Minerals (Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Calcium Iodate), Lecithin, Rosemary Extract
Moisture10.00%
Protein25.00%
Fat15.00%
Fiber 3.80%
 

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I haven't tried Authority for my dogs and don't know anyone who has fed it. That said, Authority gets a thumbs up over the Pro Plan in my book for not including the following ingredients: unnamed "poultry meal", unnamed "animal fat" soybean meal, cereal by-products and menadione.

How well any given dog will do on one product versus the other is anyone's guess.
What MyBentley said is exactly my thoughts! My biggest ick factor is now knowing what "animal fat" is...
 

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I wish I could use Professional but the only place that sold it near me just closed. And the only other place is across town. Truly I dont understand why more places dont carry it. It is a good quality and good priced food.
The same with the Healthwise. Except for getting it at some animal hospitals and it is marked up.
 

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I tried to feed Max the Authority. He hated it, I was transitioning him from Iams so I was mixing it together and every time I went to more than 1/4 Authority and 3/4 Iams, he had very soft poops, almost diarrhea. I finally gave up and went to Nature's Recipe, not quite as high a quality but at least he likes it and no more diarrhea!
 

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:no: My dogs sure do well on icky junk food. I wouldn't touch Authority, or Healthwise, or any of the other wonderful holistic foods with a ten pole ever again.
 

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:no: My dogs sure do well on icky junk food. I wouldn't touch Authority, or Healthwise, or any of the other wonderful holistic foods with a ten pole ever again.
Which other Purina product(s) have you tried & would recommend ?
Based on their different brands, how would you describe Nestlé Purina's philosophy ?

 

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Anything that has corn gluten won't be coming through my door.......:no:
 

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:no: My dogs sure do well on icky junk food. I wouldn't touch Authority, or Healthwise, or any of the other wonderful holistic foods with a ten pole ever again.
Your statement baffles me. Healthwise is not marketed as a holistic food; and I don't believe Authority is either. The Healthwise brochure says "Healthwise is the affordable alternative to expensive premium brands . . . wholesome ingredients . . . value priced . . quality without compromise"

Also, Authority and Healthwise are very different formulas. I can't begin to think on what basis anyone would lump the two together.
 

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Which other Purina product(s) have you tried & would recommend ?
Based on their different brands, how would you describe Nestlé Purina's philosophy ?

Purina offers many choices for a variety of budgets and situations. When we were having a hard time financially....Purina dog chow was a great choice during that time period. I would rather go with a lower end Purina product then a generic or unknown cheaper product.

I trust the brand and don't mind the choices.
 

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Which other Purina product(s) have you tried & would recommend ?
Based on their different brands, how would you describe Nestlé Purina's philosophy ?

i choose proplan, performance formula.....
 

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Which other Purina product(s) have you tried & would recommend ?
Based on their different brands, how would you describe Nestlé Purina's philosophy ?


Which other Purina product(s) have you tried & would recommend ?

I have fed Purina's Veterinary Diets when the occasion called for it. Of course they are "Prescription Diets" not suitable nor intended for feeding normal healthy dogs. But when the need arrises, those special dedicated diets by Purina are critical to helping a sick dog recover.

Based on their different brands, how would you describe Nestlé Purina's philosophy ?

Nestle Purina's philosophy is to provide a wide ranging diverse product line that appeals to as broad and far reaching an audience as possible. They have no desire to fill the needs or whims of small obscure nitch markets.
 

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Your statement baffles me. Healthwise is not marketed as a holistic food; and I don't believe Authority is either. The Healthwise brochure says "Healthwise is the affordable alternative to expensive premium brands . . . wholesome ingredients . . . value priced . . quality without compromise"

Also, Authority and Healthwise are very different formulas. I can't begin to think on what basis anyone would lump the two together.

I wasn't saying that Authority or Healthwise are holisitic, but I was lumping them together with foods that I said I wouldn't touch. I don't care how they are marketed
 

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I wasn't saying that Authority or Healthwise are holisitic, but I was lumping them together with foods that I said I wouldn't touch. I don't care how they are marketed
Thank you for clarifying your earlier statement. I realize you're very satisfied and happy with what you're currently feeding and have no need to consider other formulas.

I am curious about you saying Healthwise is one of the "foods that I said I wouldn't touch". Did you have a bad experience with it in the past or is there some knowledge about it or something about it on paper that would make you not consider it if you were looking for a change? (which I know you're not).

Natura Pet Products was founded in 1989, is sold in every state in the U.S. and in Canada, and has not been involved in any recalls. Here is an example of one of the Healthwise formulas:

Healthwise Chicken Meal and Oatmeal Adult
Chicken Meal, Oatmeal, Brown Rice, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, a Natural Source of Vitamin E), Pea Fiber, Flaxseed, Natural Flavors, Salt, Herring Oil, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Betaine Hydrochloride, Vitamin A Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Beta Carotene, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin, Folic Acid), Minerals (Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Calcium Iodate), Lecithin, Rosemary Extract
Moisture 10.00%
Protein 25.00%
Fat 15.00%
Fiber 3.80%

In my area it sells for about $36.50 for a 35 lb. bag.
 

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I agree with PG.

After first hand experience with several of the foods from Natura Pet Products, I would not ever feed them again or recommend them as a good source of nutrition. The products did not keep up with the nutritional needs of my dogs. The training dogs lost muscle mass and endurance while being fed the products. Nursing mothers were a complete disaster and the condition of growing puppies was sub-par when compared to earlier litters on other products.

Natura may do an outstanding job with marketing materials and selling a philosophy but that's about it. If you throw out all the philosophical marketing jargon and measure only the actual outcome i.e. results delivered, Natura just doesn't measure up. Then when you consider how much more you're paying for an underperforming product you see the light and realize that marketing hype doesn't translate into solid proven results with your dog(s).
 

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I agree with PG.

After first hand experience with several of the foods from Natura Pet Products, I would not ever feed them again or recommend them as a good source of nutrition. The products did not keep up with the nutritional needs of my dogs. The training dogs lost muscle mass and endurance while being fed the products. Nursing mothers were a complete disaster and the condition of growing puppies was sub-par when compared to earlier litters on other products.

Natura may do an outstanding job with marketing materials and selling a philosophy but that's about it. If you throw out all the philosophical marketing jargon and measure only the actual outcome i.e. results delivered, Natura just doesn't measure up. Then when you consider how much more you're paying for an underperforming product you see the light and realize that marketing hype doesn't translate into solid proven results with your dog(s).
Well, you've lumped a lot of very different formula lines and price points into your overall assessment: EVO grain-free with high protein, fat, calories and price point; Innova with moderate protein and fat and grains, California Natural adult with limited ingredients and rather low protein and fat levels and a more moderate price; to Healthwise which is the most value priced (about $1 per lb.) with moderate protein and fat levels.

As with all brands, not every formulation in their line-up will match well with a particular dog's needs. That's true whether one is talking about Purina, Eukanuba, Natura, Champion Pet Foods or dozens of other companies. Whichever formula you tried didn't work out well for you. But for others it has. I know several hunters whose dogs do great with the EVO. I know others whose dogs have allergies and do great with one of the California Natural formulas; and I know others on a tight budget who appreciate the reasonable price of Healthwise and what they perceive as a quality set of ingredients. And yes, I'm aware of others that for whatever reason (maybe an intolerance to the specific vitamin pre-mix) didn't seem to find a formula that worked for them.

As far as marketing, every company knows it must do it and do it well to stay in the competition. The number of times one can see a TV commercial for Beneful dog food in one evening is considerable. Perhaps Beneful's "hype doesn't translate into solid proven results" with every dog either.

But my original specific questions in an earlier post for Pointgold regarding Healthwise still remain. My focus wasn't to debate companies. Each has varying levels of products.
 

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Well, you've lumped a lot of very different formula lines and price points into your overall assessment: EVO grain-free with high protein, fat, calories and price point; Innova with moderate protein and fat and grains, California Natural adult with limited ingredients and rather low protein and fat levels and a more moderate price; to Healthwise which is the most value priced (about $1 per lb.) with moderate protein and fat levels.

As with all brands, not every formulation in their line-up will match well with a particular dog's needs. That's true whether one is talking about Purina, Eukanuba, Natura, Champion Pet Foods or dozens of other companies. Whichever formula you tried didn't work out well for you. But for others it has. I know several hunters whose dogs do great with the EVO. I know others whose dogs have allergies and do great with one of the California Natural formulas; and I know others on a tight budget who appreciate the reasonable price of Healthwise and what they perceive as a quality set of ingredients. And yes, I'm aware of others that for whatever reason (maybe an intolerance to the specific vitamin pre-mix) didn't seem to find a formula that worked for them.

As far as marketing, every company knows it must do it and do it well to stay in the competition. The number of times one can see a TV commercial for Beneful dog food in one evening is considerable. Perhaps Beneful's "hype doesn't translate into solid proven results" with every dog either.

But my original specific questions in an earlier post for Pointgold regarding Healthwise still remain. My focus wasn't to debate companies. Each has varying levels of products.

I've never been impressed with any of the Natura products, having seen many dogs in different situations on any number of their formulas. They've not performed up to what I want. And I have seen too much inconsistency within formulas. It is my choice to stick with a brand that I trust, that has consistently delivered excellent results.

Are you somehow connect with Healthwise?
 
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