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After Benjamin my almost 8 year old had a bout with sneezing and mucus a few weeks back that seemed to clear his nose started dripping blood.
2 vets told me it was a bacterial infection at first then probably cancer or a foreign object to get a CT and Rinoscopy. They did mention fungus in passing but no one said fungus is critical and eats their bones.
I tried to schedule the referred test but it got worse so in through the emergency door we went ... I also called about 20 times. The best doc on earth agreed to do it that day. I was scheduled with him the next day they had moved up my apt after I called in desperation.


Current diagnosis post going to a specialty vet with CT and rinoscopy is fungal infection so bad that it deteriorated the bones in his nose and likely the cribaform plate between the nasal cavity and brain.
The specialist scrapped out all the fungus that he could get and he stayed overnight. He has some bleeding so he is going to stay another night they gave me the choice and they truly monitor the dogs so I think that it is safer this way.


So now the concerning news because he may have issues with his cribaform plate doing a topical treatment which has a 90% chance of working may be off the table which leaves us with oral treatments which are less effective. less than 70% from what I have read.


Does anyone have experience with this?


Also looking for integrated medicine advice, food supplements? what did you do and what was your success rate?
I had him on Orijen and Acana dry food for about 6 months he has also gained a lot of weight and gotten thsi illness so I am going back to home cooked and Sojos or similar dehydrated. Plus and I am concerned that Orijen and Acana made in the USA has changed for the worse.


I am very concerned they are calling his prognosis "fair". I am hoping there are good stories out there.
 

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No exact experience... but we did go through something very similar last month with my Jacks. He had an MRI done and in his case they found inflammation up near the orbital nasal area. This was biopsied to check for cancer and fungus. The vet was able to tell me right off that she did not think we were dealing with cancer. But she deferred to a second opinion with the biopsy. The stain test for fungal infections as well was sent out.

It took about 2 weeks for the fungal test results, but those were clear.

But the whole time I was thinking about aspergillosis and reading up on more of the condition than I would have liked. I had literally talked myself into thinking that it was not so bad if aspergillosis in the nasal cavity since it is treatable.

When it spreads through the dogs body - that's when it is very dire and low chance of survival.

With Jacks he roots around everywhere. And digs in dirt and rolls in it... and about a week or two before he started having nosebleeds, I made the mistake of letting them out of my car to go running into a lake that's normally clean, but when I got down to the water's edge I saw that everything was mucky. <= I never thought of food simply because the gunk is pretty common outside.

With Jacks they found no fungus or cancer and he hasn't had any further nosebleeds after being on antibiotics and blood thinners (he had a clotting problem on tests) for a while.

Anyway.... very sorry to see you are going through this. Wanted to offer the positive viewpoint that there are treatments for this. It was a huge deal to me when I was initially expecting cancer which is basically a 3 month death sentence if you don't do anything. :(
 

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Indirect experience.

My Faelan's half brother had this along with the cleaning surgery. He died recently at 15 1/2 years old at least 10 years after dx.

He was on rotating medications, anti fungal and I believe anti biotics to keep infections in check and had to be retired from obedience (scent articles were no longer possible for him), but happily hunted and was a much loved companion.
 
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I am so scared.


Benjamin had a nose bleed Sunday and we rushed him to the ER. Another closer ER I can not get back to his specialty hospital in time.
I have never seen a nose bleed and was sure he was going to die. I gave him the red pill of Yunnan and put the Epi up his nose that they gave me 5 ml. and ice on nose.
The hospital packed his nose with foam and knocked him out with 1 ml Acepromazine and 10 Ml of Butorphanol and another syringe of Epi in nose plus Yunnan in nose. Then they had me give him 10 more mls of a Acepromazine pill at 10 pm at night 12 hrs later. He was so knocked out we had to carry him out of the ER. He did not come around until 10 when we gave him more likely a mistake.


Yesterday the whole next day he could not stand would not eat breakfast. I got him out to pee by mid morning but then could not get him in the house. At night I got him to eat some food and water but he took it cautiously and laying down would not stand.


He had a bad reaction coming off the sedatives the first night he was panting and shaking.


Today is day two and he is starting to walk. I am hoping this is a sedative issue but it was well over 24 hrs.


They said his red blood cells were 37 higher than when he got released from the hospital.


He was perky and begging for food when we took him home from the rinoscopy but this really knocked him back so I am really really scared that he may not make it.


Prayers Please. Anyone had this reaction from sedatives?


Anyone have bloody noses and can lend some advice. The ER said we could spend close to an hour trying to stop it before coming to the hospital has anyone stopped bleeds at home?
 

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Ace is considered so safe that animal control is given it to admin as needed...
and it's over the counter in France( probably elsewhere as well but when I was there and saw it OTC I bought some in case I ever needed it lol). I am so sorry he's not well. Prayers here for him.
 

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The only thing I can think of is my vet would not let me bring Jacks home right away. He had to stay at the vet an extra day because they did not want him to be bleeding at home. They said that after the biopsy - he was going to bleed. And he might bleed pretty bad. We'd taken him in because he had been having nosebleeds from the one nostril. When we went in to see him after they did the MRI and biopsy, he was bleeding from both nostrils and very swollen around his nose. Might add I have no idea if he knew who we were when we came to see him. He was completely out of it. He was up and moving, but his lights were not completely on.

He came home the next day - but only because the continuous/easy bleeding had stopped and the swelling had gone down slightly. And to be honest, I insisted on bringing him home. The vet would have preferred to keep him that extra day as well just for observation.

He still had a few nosebleeds initially - but related to exertion.

It took him almost a week to get back to being his normal self. A lot of that was related to the anesthesia. He was eating normally, but a lot of panting, some shaking, his eyes were very bleary and unfocused, and there was a little bleeding.

I was convinced he was in pain because of the panting and shaking, and even rushed him back to have a consult with the vet on everything I was seeing and worried about.

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What I'm describing above was related to him being completely under anesthesia.

About Ace - have heard about it causing some problems for dog. It's why I refused to put Jacks on it years ago when his anxiety issues were so much worse than they are now.

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All my prayers while you get through this. I know how tough it is right away. It should get better.
 

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Hi Kate,


Thank you.


How bad were Jacks nose bleeds and how were you successfulat getting them to stop?


I have never seen a dog’s nose bleed and do not get them soit seemed like an awful lot of blood to me.


The specialist said that if I had to use the Epi syringe inhis nose to get him to an ER. They gave one to me to use if it began to flow.


The ER told me that I had an hour to try to stop it beforereal danger.


I don’t want to keep going to ER to get over sedated if notnecessary. I think that alone puts him at risk and sets him back.


I had blood everywhere especially from the sneezing.


Benjamin stayed in the hospital 3 nights after his procedureand had bleeds the first two nights but was released after no bleed the thirdnight. He had a lot of material removed with the biopsy tool for over 2 hoursin the procedure to remove as much fungus as possible.


I think that he is doing it to himself pawing at his nose andstarting bleeds, I caught him on camera so he is now wearing a cone poor guy.


He can walk a bit today 48 hours later has started to eatand drink a bit more.


Finally tonight he pood after about 60 hours hooray!


His stomach is convulsing a bit sometimes when I give him atreat but he is not throwing up so I do not know what is going on there. Hopingit will pass. The doctor said stop the Clavamox and see if it goes away andkeep him on the Valconazole and Yunnan.
 

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Jacks did not have excessive bleeding beyond the first day right after they did the biopsy. They scraped at the tissue up his nose to take samples (tissue and cartilage) - both nostrils. Caused a lot of bleeding then.

They had cleaned him up before my mom and I saw him, but he still smelled like blood and his face and ruff were bloody.

The days after I brought him home, he mainly had dribbling (both discharge and blood) from both nostrils.

So unfortunately - it does sound like you are experiencing a lot worse stuff than we did. But I'm sure they did more extensive scraping and frazzling inside there.

Our vet did warn us that there could be a lot of bleeding in the days after... so it is possible this is normal...

I did a little googling re epi syringe to see why your boy was given that... and saw the side effects could be anxiety, tremors, and vomiting.
 

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hi I just found your post. How did this all turn out? My 3yo just went in for a biopsy to confirm aspergillosis. I’m worried sick. Thank you 🙏🏼😔
 
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