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Hey everyone,

Many of you know I lost my beautiful Golden, Aiyana to AIHA last year, probable cause was her vaccines, per my Vet. All 3 of my dogs reacted to their vaccines last year, it killed Aiyana.

My Siberian Husky Hurley has been having many health issues that Vets just can't seem to help us with...firstly after his vaccines his head swelled like a basket ball, he had stomach problems for a couple of weeks and began having grande mal seizures. He started phenobarbital last October and has had no other seizures...but has developed skin issues most likely ZRD related to zinc deficiency, and now many different stomach and health issues.

I have gone back and forth to Vets constantly with no success in helping my poor guy. I consulted with a holistic Vet last weekend, and was shocked at his findings. He believes all of Hurleys problems are from the vaccines, he thinks they are all auto immune in nature and that Hurley is suffering from mercury poisoning... scary huh?

I did some research of my own at my Vets office the other day - pouring through Hurleys records. Hurley had his puppy rabies vaccine and the DA2PPv in July 07 one week later I called my Vet thinking that Hurley had a petit mal seizure - at that time I was told to keep an eye on him and call if it happened again. August 08 my dogs had their yearly vaccines, and again we had problems, but this time it was grande mal seizures, swelling, intestinal, and AIHA RESULTING IN DEATH... hmmmm.

My Vet and I had a long talk yesterday, and he more or less said he agrees, but can't agree (smirk) that this is the cause of Hurleys problems. He is writing a letter for the County that Hurley will never be vaccinated again due to serious reactions. Of course I wish we had this same conversation 3 weeks ago before Hurley had the 3 year rabies vaccine.
I am now frightened that it will make him even worse than he already is. He did not react to the rabies vaccine this time, but he had enough benadryl in him to stop a horse.

My dogs do not go to dog parks - we have our own pack here. The chance of them picking something up is pretty slim....Hurley kills lots of critters in the yard, the Vet says he is not at all concerned with him contracting rabies... more worried about parvo and distemper, but he should be good for a couple more years at least and then will do titers.
I am relieved that he does not want anymore vaccines for him.

It angers me that we do all we can, and are told to do to keep our dogs healthy, and it is killing them....so much for me being a responsible pet owner. I am scared to death to get any more vaccines for Layla, but I know she will need those one year boosters. She will get each one separately spaced every 3 -4 weeks or so... then she will never get another again.


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Your holistic vet should be able to do titer testing on your dogs. These tests will tell you if the vaccines are still in your dog's systems and are not necessary.

I had a cat and my sister-in-law's cat both died from cancers from their vaccines. Vaccines scare me too.
 

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I came across this info last night while doing some further research...

http://www.squidoo.com/rabiesvaccine#module29454922

taken from this site...

After rabies vaccination, your dog may experience fever, malaise or even life-threatening anaphylactic shot. Non-immediate reactions days or even months after vaccination (called "vaccinosis") include, but aren't limited to:


  • Aggression or destructive behavior
  • Separation anxiety
  • Obsessive compulsive behaviors (like chasing tails or licking paws)
  • Seizures and epilepsy
  • Autoimmune diseases
  • Allergies
  • Skin problems
  • Digestive disorders
  • Muscle weakness
  • Pica (eating inappropriate materials)
  • Fibrocarcinomas at the injection site (particularly in cats-see below--but also in dogs)
 

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The cancer is primarily in cats, at the site of the rabies injection. Vets now do it in a leg, easier to amputate in case of cancer.

Julie, do you know what brand of vaccine your vet used last year on your dogs? I know I have seen negative comments on Ft. Dodge on other lists I am on, and am just wondering who the manufacturer of the vaccine was.
 

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I came across this info last night while doing some further research...

http://www.squidoo.com/rabiesvaccine#module29454922

taken from this site...

After rabies vaccination, your dog may experience fever, malaise or even life-threatening anaphylactic shot. Non-immediate reactions days or even months after vaccination (called "vaccinosis") include, but aren't limited to:


  • Aggression or destructive behavior
  • Separation anxiety
  • Obsessive compulsive behaviors (like chasing tails or licking paws)
  • Seizures and epilepsy
  • Autoimmune diseases
  • Allergies
  • Skin problems
  • Digestive disorders
  • Muscle weakness
  • Pica (eating inappropriate materials)
  • Fibrocarcinomas at the injection site (particularly in cats-see below--but also in dogs)
I've seen it listed a few times on the internet, but I can't find any actual studies that confirm a clear link.

I'm also surprised to see some of these other things listed as vaccine reactions. How would one know if separation anxiety was caused by a vaccine?
 

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Linda,

Ya know... I knew that about Ft. Dodge, and I am sure I checked last year and it wasn't. I just looked at their paper work and it does not say. I will have to go back and look at their records in the office. They have had Ft. Dodge previously though, I remember that.

I know for sure the vaccine Hurley had a few weeks ago was not Ft. Dodge... so I am hoping it did not do any further damage to him.

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Just to update, I did find some interesting literature on correlation between vaccination and fibrosarcomas in cats, but none in dogs other than specific citations in cat studies that dogs are not similarly affected.

The cause is really not known, but the correlation appears to be fairly strong.
 

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And sorry, on the OP's first post, it sounds like severe allergic reactions to some compound in the vaccines were the main trouble. As far as the mercury poisoning, are you certain those vaccines contained mercury preservatives? I was under the impression that thimerosol had been completely phased out of veterinary vaccines.
 

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All I can say is my Vet agreed, it could be mercury poisoning and that Hurley is just very sensitive to it. So I assume then that it is still being used in vaccines.
 

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All I can say is my Vet agreed, it could be mercury poisoning and that Hurley is just very sensitive to it. So I assume then that it is still being used in vaccines.
If you could find out what vaccines were used and post them, that would be really helpful. I've always assumed that Thimerosol was completely banned, so if it isn't, that's a bit scary.
 

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If you could find out what vaccines were used and post them, that would be really helpful. I've always assumed that Thimerosol was completely banned, so if it isn't, that's a bit scary.

I know the Vet stated yesterday that we can test Hurley for mercury levels, so I'm thinking they are still there.

I found this... hope it is helpful.. it looks like Thimerosol was banned in medications, but not vaccines and is still used.

http://www.squidoo.com/mercury_poisoning

quote taken from that link:

Have you ever been vaccinated? Thimerosal, which is 50% mercury by weight, was added to vaccines starting in the 1930's to act as a preservative. The FDA banned the use of Thimerosal in over the counter medications in October of 1998, but it is still used in most vaccines. Even today's flu vaccinations can contain mercury.
 

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I do not know about the dog vaccines. But I do know that you have to ask about Thimerosal in people flu vaccines. Here I think about 50-60% still have Thimerosal in the flu vaccine. It was a heck of a time to get a shot without Thimerosal and will give to young children!
 

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the link below is more debunking the whole vaccines cause autism in children thing, but there is a section that gives good info on the whole thimerosal / mercury idea

http://skeptoid.com/episode.php?id=4055


Proponents of the alleged link between vaccines and autism charge that vaccines contain mercury, which in large enough doses, kills cells and causes neurological damage. What some vaccines contain is actually not plain mercury, but the preservative thimerosal. Thimerosal's main active ingredient is an organic version of mercury called ethylmercury. Ethylmercury is naturally expelled from the body quickly. Methylmercury, on the other hand, is not. It stays in the body. High doses of methylmercury will cause physiological damage. However, ethylmercury and methylmercury are not the same thing, despite the similar names. Methylmercury is not present in thimerosal. In short, vaccines preserved with thimerosal do not even contain the type of mercury that activists say is dangerous. And even if they did, the amount would be too small to be considered a risk.
 

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I am so sorry you have had to go through all this. I am being as cautious as possible with vaccines for my puppies. Only core vaccines and rabies (because is required by law) Even the rabies I waited until Kadence was a little order. I will do titers as opposed to vaccines when ever possible.


Curious, how did the Husky do with the Goldens? I have never had one but my husband loves them. With 2 Golden puppies now I am not ready for another, but the possibility is there for one day.
 

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Curious, how did the Husky do with the Goldens? I have never had one but my husband loves them. With 2 Golden puppies now I am not ready for another, but the possibility is there for one day.

Hurley is my second husky... I had my yellow lab Gwen, when I got Wolfie, they were best friends. I brought in Aiyana, a Golden, and Dream a yellow lab, they all got along great, all females.

Hurley was brought in after Wolfie passed away, he did great with Dream and Aiyana, this was their house, not his LOL. Ahhh but after we lost Aiyana and brought in the little peanut Layla - Hurley became a bully. I think it is because he is a male...I am not sure we would have all these problems if he was a female. So I would be really careful about what gender you bring in LOL.

good luck!
 
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