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Is anyone familiar with this group?
www.myangelwithpaws.org

Their website is a little out of date, as they have established another location not far from me in addition to their FL location (their website says they will be establishing a location in the north soon).
I think their breeding director, Rebecca, is (was?) on the forum for quite some time (golden sunrise retrievers). Not sure if she's still around.

Anyone know anything about them, good, or bad? Feel free to PM me if you'd rather.
 

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Is anyone familiar with this group?
www.myangelwithpaws.org

Their website is a little out of date, as they have established another location not far from me in addition to their FL location (their website says they will be establishing a location in the north soon).
I think their breeding director, Rebecca, is (was?) on the forum for quite some time (golden sunrise retrievers). Not sure if she's still around.

Anyone know anything about them, good, or bad? Feel free to PM me if you'd rather.

I know nothing about the organization. I know that their breeding specialist regularly uses a stud dog starting at a year old on "Fair" prelims. This bothers me - the GRCA guidelines require 24 months.
 

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Their link is to telsmith1; perhaps she can answer any questions you may have.

"New puppies have been donated to My Angel With Paws!! Chris and Valerie went north to pick up new puppy donations. What a great trip! Tabris and Rigby went along to keep the puppies company. Onyx and Zoom are labrador retrievers and were donated by a breeder in Michigan and Gabriel is a golden retriever that was donated by Rebecca Bogoski at Golden Sunrise Retrievers.
We are Pleased to Welcome Rebecca to My Angel With Paws. Rebecca has agreed to join our Board of Directors as our Breeding Specialist. YEAH! Rebecca will oversee our future breeding program. See more about Rebecca on our Board of Directors page
Get more information about Rebecca and her wonderful Goldens at goldensunriseretrievers.net "
 

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Is it a 501c3 organization? I must agree with PG that it bothers me that their Breeding Specialist began breeding her stud at a young age on Fair prelims.
 

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My Angel With Paws, Inc.

I was sent to this forum today because My Angel With Paws, Inc. was the topic of discussion. I will try to help clarify. My Angel With Paws, Inc. is a new non-profit organization that breeds, raisers, trains and places service dogs with children and adults with various disabilities free of charge. Any pups that do not qualify for this vocation will be career changed or released. Any pups that are not healthy enough (clearances, allergies, etc) will be released. We are passionate about our cause. Thus far our puppies and breeders have been donated by golden and lab breeders. We have acquired 26 puppies, 2 golden bitches that will go through their health clearances within the next 2 months as they will be coming into heat in approximately March, and 1 golden bitch with good health clearances and a golden male puppy that will hopefully have good health clearances for breeding. Our organization being new makes it difficult to obtain all the clearances at once but we will have the clearances.

I also received the following from a puppy raiser that visited your forum and responded to me.

What is sad about a situations like this is that the real reason for us doing what we do is getting forgotten. If these breeders would think for a minute and try to understand the facts they would all be lining up to offer their stud dog. We are not looking to breed the next ring champion. We are trying to help PEOPLE that are not as fortunate as the rest of us. PEOPLE who's daily lives are a physical and emotional drain from the moment they wake up until the time they go to bed. Should any one of those breeders someday find themselves disabled they would be singing praises to the heavens that folks like us are committed enough to try to make their life better. We are not breeding show dogs, just healthy dogs with great temperaments and work ethic. We'll continue to do our thing. We'll do it to the best of our ability. We'll make a difference in many lives. Look at all the breeders that are so eager to help! They are not missing the boat. Bad karma is bad karma and it finds the people that harbor it then comes back one day and dumps on them big time. Keep the faith - we've got good reason to be proud of everything we do.

As with most things in life, there are many, many ways to do the same thing right. I would love this forum to support My Angel With Paw as I firmly believe we are worth supporting.

Chris Tejcek
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My Angel With Paws, Inc.
 

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I was sent to this forum today because My Angel With Paws, Inc. was the topic of discussion. I will try to help clarify. My Angel With Paws, Inc. is a new non-profit organization that breeds, raisers, trains and places service dogs with children and adults with various disabilities free of charge. Any pups that do not qualify for this vocation will be career changed or released. Any pups that are not healthy enough (clearances, allergies, etc) will be released. We are passionate about our cause. Thus far our puppies and breeders have been donated by golden and lab breeders. We have acquired 26 puppies, 2 golden bitches that will go through their health clearances within the next 2 months as they will be coming into heat in approximately March, and 1 golden bitch with good health clearances and a golden male puppy that will hopefully have good health clearances for breeding. Our organization being new makes it difficult to obtain all the clearances at once but we will have the clearances.

I also received the following from a puppy raiser that visited your forum and responded to me.

What is sad about a situations like this is that the real reason for us doing what we do is getting forgotten. If these breeders would think for a minute and try to understand the facts they would all be lining up to offer their stud dog. We are not looking to breed the next ring champion. We are trying to help PEOPLE that are not as fortunate as the rest of us. PEOPLE who's daily lives are a physical and emotional drain from the moment they wake up until the time they go to bed. Should any one of those breeders someday find themselves disabled they would be singing praises to the heavens that folks like us are committed enough to try to make their life better. We are not breeding show dogs, just healthy dogs with great temperaments and work ethic. We'll continue to do our thing. We'll do it to the best of our ability. We'll make a difference in many lives. Look at all the breeders that are so eager to help! They are not missing the boat. Bad karma is bad karma and it finds the people that harbor it then comes back one day and dumps on them big time. Keep the faith - we've got good reason to be proud of everything we do.

As with most things in life, there are many, many ways to do the same thing right. I would love this forum to support My Angel With Paw as I firmly believe we are worth supporting.

Chris Tejcek
Executive Director
My Angel With Paws, Inc.

If you read the few posts here, nothing derogatory or negative was written about the organization itself. While the mission of your organization is most assuredly noble, my concern is that you have a person on your board, named as a "breeding specialist" who although a member of the GRCA, is herself breeding an underaged stud dog (in violation of the COE). I cannot justify using a 12 month old dog, even though prelims were done (fair only on hips). This is not a breeding practice that should be condoned, nor does it foster confidence in someone touted as a breeding specialist.
 

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Chris, here's the thing. Since you are helping people who are dependent on their service dogs, does it not make ultimate sense to insure that those dogs especially will live long and healthy lives? Everyone on this forum is likely very supportive of your organization's mission; it's a worthy one, for sure. However, having a breeder who does not insure the best health of her own breeding stock by breeding a dog who is not even able to be fully evaluated due to his age, and the preliminary evaluations aren't so great, doesn't reflect well on her and necessarily on you. A golden retriever breeder who conducts her business in violation of the National Club's Code of Ethics in matters of health is really the person you want advising your organization on best practices for creating healthy service dogs???? I wish you all the best in your new endeavor. There's always a learning curve when you have a start-up organization, and it does take a while to work out the potential or real clitches. You may have an opportunity here to head off a serious one.....
 

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How many puppies are you going to donate? :) Or perhaps a monetary donation towards the clearances of all dogs involved in the organization's breeding program would be nice. It's such a great cause for sure.

Best of luck to all of you involved in this wonderful program!
 

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If you read the few posts here, nothing derogatory or negative was written about the organization itself. While the mission of your organization is most assuredly noble, my concern is that you have a person on your board, named as a "breeding specialist" who although a member of the GRCA, is herself breeding an underaged stud dog (in violation of the COE). I cannot justify using a 12 month old dog, even though prelims were done (fair only on hips). This is not a breeding practice that should be condoned, nor does it foster confidence in someone touted as a breeding specialist.
Bingo. You know nothing of longevity or chronic health issues by breeding year old animals.
To say nothing of working temperament. How do you evaluate long-term working aptitude on a year old animal.
Just because it's a golden retriever doesn't mean it will make a good service dog.
These two issues are of concern to me with ANY breeding program - show, performance, service dogs, whatever.
 

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Chris, as the original poster, I'd like to say that nothing bad was said about your organization and I'm sure everyone agrees with me that what you are doing is an incredible, generous service. I applaud you and your efforts.
You commented that we should be standing in line to breed our dogs for your organization, and in fact that's why I was asking about your organization, because I was considering donating a breeding from my dog. Your midwest director knows me and knows my dog. But before I would bring more golden retrievers into the world, 90% of which will NOT end up being service dogs, I wanted to see if anyone had any comments about your organization. I'm sure you can appreciated my caution before I breed my dog. One of the concerns that I have, as I'm sure many on this forum do, is what happens to the puppies that don't "make the grade", or as you said, are "released". I see on your website you have quite a few lab puppies for sale for an astoundingly inexpensive price. That worries me. As a lover of the golden breed, I will feel personally responsible for any puppies that my dog ever sires, and that unfortunately would include the ones that are "released".
But I don't see anywhere that anyone on this forum said a bad word about your organization or your mission, even though apparently your breeding director is not thought of very highly, which may be a problem for you when you are looking for stud dogs at some point.
I continue to wish you all the best.
 

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I sincerely aplolgize for the delay gettin back - we had a severecomputer crash.
I truly appreciate all the responses I received from so many of you. MAWP is definitely on a learning curve. We incorporated January of this year and are still putting all the pieces together. MAWP is very excited to have 6 service dog trainers that have experience with 4 other service dog oranizations who are also trainers at various local kennel clubs. With the puppies we have had donated thus far we have had 5 pups released that do not show the potential for this vocation - dog agressive, too shy, too bold, etc. As someone had mentioned, when we do not know both parent's temperament, this can more frequently occur. When we release a pup there is an application process an interested party must go through. We, to the best of our ability, make sure the interested party is a great home where the pup will continue some sort of training, they have the time for a pup, and can financially care for the pup appropriately. We offer discounted or free (depending upon the situation) puppy classes to them. It is the possibility that the puppy trainer who has been raising the pup may qualify to keep this puppy.
We received the lab bitch of the puppies for sale as a donation. She was already bred at the time of the donation. We have always planned to sell her pups for some cash flow into the organization as we are still waiting for our 501(c)(3) approval. The pups are selling for 375.00 limited, as the bitch and dog do not have their health clearances. We will do the puppy puzzle on the pups when they are 8 weeks old and keep a pup or 2 if appropriate for possible breeding. Prior to breeding, clearance would be obtained. The 2 golden bitches we have in Florida have lovely temperaments and are training extremely well. Hopefully they will have great clearances. They will be our first golden puppies we breed. If anything does not check out, both bitch's raisers will keep them. They will remain ambassadors of MAWP and perform therapy work. In both situations there is a disabled persone in each home. The bitches will continue work.
Forgive me, I can go on and on. If anyone would like to talk more, please feel free to call me. I am always looking for advice. I am not sure if I am allowed to put phone numbers in this post. The number is on the website: MyAngelWithPaws.org.
Chris
 

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Thanks for your reply, Chris. I hope you will stick around the forum and get to know us, it would make people a lot more comfortable offering their dogs for stud services I'm sure.
 

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I read with interest a discussion on a golden breeders list about connecting with breeders who show any signs of trying to get things right instead of crucifying them for their mistakes in the wake of all the PETA attempts at anti breeder legislation. This person does so many clearances, even extra ones like patella and thyroid. She shows many,many signs of learning to do things right, so maybe there are other tones to take in addressing the concerns.

Regardless,I am very bothered by the relentless public criticism of one of our own members. I wish the forum was more bonding than that. Many of our past participating members no longer post, and I miss them. She heard the negative opinion loud and clear the first time and is thinking about it, and no longer even feels comfortable signing on here when she used to be a devoted member.
 

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I remember on another forum "guiding" someone who was breeding Goldens. She no longer is a breeder, but turned to rescue after lessons learned when she didn't run off after all the hoopla. I'm glad she stuck around. People do learn, do change practices, and sometimes become better at what they do than those who nail them to a cross forever.

I wish your organization well. I certainly understand the need for assistances dogs. I remember a member here named Hooch who also donated pups from time to time.
 

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In regards to the member in question here, I will say that several breeders here offered help and advice to her, both on the forum and privately, as well as encouragement to both her and her daughter when they ventured into the show arena. I still have some of the correspondences, as well as copies of rads that she sent me. It really seemed like she was doing everything right. Which is why it is puzzling that she began using her stud dog at a year old. She's not been "crucified". Nor has there been "relentless public criticism" of her. The concern is valid. As is the disappointment.
 

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I met Rebecca when I contacted her about donating a puppy to MAWP. Rebecca did donate a wonderful golden puppy to us this past spring. I went to Michigan to pick up the pup and meet Rebecca. As our contact and relationship grew, Rebecca showed interest in becoming more involved with MAWP. We were thrilled. Rebecca works tirelessly acquiring more puppy donations, researching pedigrees, chipping pups, registering pups, etc. Rebecca has been solid at a rock for MAWP.

When the disucssions in this forum were brought to Rebecca's attention, she forwarded your concerns to me and offered to step down and distance herself from MAWP. She did not want to cause any harm to the organization. I assured her we did not want to loose her.

We feel very fortunate to have found Rebecca and look forward to growing together.
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That's admirable, and I hope that it all works out for your organization. My concerns about the breeding of uncleared and underaged dogs remains.
 

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Kudos to Rebecca ~ I don't know her well, but I hope she continues to be an asset to your organization. We all live and learn and it certainly seems she continues to learn, educate, and make a difference!
 

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Kudos to Rebecca ~ I don't know her well, but I hope she continues to be an asset to your organization. We all live and learn and it certainly seems she continues to learn, educate, and make a difference!

Well said Kimm. Thank you. We'll second your comments.
 
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