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This is from the registration agreement. Pretty much sums it up:

"The owners of Golden Retriever Forum reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason, but we also reserve the right to close user accounts or ban any of our members without previous warning or explanation of such action"

To answer BigDawg's question: when you're in somone else's house, you abide by the rules of the house. This is the administrator's house.
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If you know the guidelines and rules then to talk about proceedures in warnings and bans isnt needed. The mods are following the rules/guidelines.

I believe in free speech and I think that everyone in entitled to it. But on the internet the written word is hard to interperate. I person could have a sarcasist sence of humor that coems across as rude or mean. The internet is a funny place people are not always what they seem. I dont know what each of you are going through in your life. This could be the place you come to find peace and then someone else is rude or hatefull maybe they dont mean it but if you are senistive or having a hard time or your health is bad you just dont need it.

I read one time about a lady that killed herself. In the note she left she said that if one perosn just one had smiled and said hi she wouldnt have did that to herself. She was so depressed she felt so alone that a stranger on the street could have changed her life.

I am a very honets and blunt person in life but on the net I try hard to write so people dont feel like I am being mean or rude. It isnt easy especially when you hear the same questions over and over agian. But if you feel like saying something that might be talking wrong. Move on to a different topic.
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If you know the guidelines and rules then to talk about proceedures in warnings and bans isnt needed. The mods are following the rules/guidelines.
The rules for what you can't do are clear, but the way those rules are enforced is not clear and hasn't been made clear.

We don't know (or at least I don't know) how they move from a complaint to a warning to a banning. For example, do mods decide to issue warnings and bannings on their own? Or do they discuss them? Who makes the final decision? And there have been a lot of accusations about inconsistent application of the rules lately. So not everybody believes those guidelines are being followed because they don't know how the process works.

Knowing the mods, I feel pretty confident that they believe in free speech in and giving people a chance to change their behavior instead of banning them. It would help to know exactly how decisions are made.

I still do not see the downside. Maybe you believe it isn't necessary, but how could it hurt?
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Brian, I think maybe the problem with explaining the procedure is because it can be so fluid and so variable. One offense might be a half-fast warning, another a stern one. It's quite possible that the member's response to first contact with admin seals the deal immediately. I think the only clarity is that there is no clarity.

Each problem is individual, each member is individual, each response is also individual. So I think the general statement in the registration agreement is an umbrella that covers all attempts to work out the problem satisfactorily. Within the guideline of 'we can do whatever we want' is the process of 'we'll do everything we can to work out problems'. Kind of like an old married couple.
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Brian, I think maybe the problem with explaining the procedure is because it can be so fluid and so variable. One offense might be a half-fast warning, another a stern one. It's quite possible that the member's response to first contact with admin seals the deal immediately. I think the only clarity is that there is no clarity.

Each problem is individual, each member is individual, each response is also individual. So I think the general statement in the registration agreement is an umbrella that covers all attempts to work out the problem satisfactorily. Within the guideline of 'we can do whatever we want' is the process of 'we'll do everything we can to work out problems'. Kind of like an old married couple.
Well, if the process is fluid enough that bannings are done without warning, by individual mods without consultation, then I would like to know that. If there are no procedures, I'd like to know that too. I'd like to hear a mod comment on this so we know what the deal is.

My experience has been that if I cross a line, I get a friendly heads-up from a mod to quit it. I figured that if I continued after that warning, I'd be risking a banning. That seemed fair. But that was just one time, so I don't know if that's the norm.

Since the mods have been accused of being capricious or not valuing free speech (and I believe both those accusations are false), I'd like to hear how they make decisions. I don't see the harm in that.
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This is from the registration agreement. Pretty much sums it up:

"The owners of Golden Retriever Forum reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason, but we also reserve the right to close user accounts or ban any of our members without previous warning or explanation of such action"

To answer BigDawg's question: when you're in somone else's house, you abide by the rules of the house. This is the administrator's house.

Okay, so tell me why this person was banned?
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Is there a list some place of the mod's names. So everybody knows who is in charge?
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Brian, I think maybe the problem with explaining the procedure is because it can be so fluid and so variable. One offense might be a half-fast warning, another a stern one. It's quite possible that the member's response to first contact with admin seals the deal immediately. I think the only clarity is that there is no clarity.

Each problem is individual, each member is individual, each response is also individual. So I think the general statement in the registration agreement is an umbrella that covers all attempts to work out the problem satisfactorily. Within the guideline of 'we can do whatever we want' is the process of 'we'll do everything we can to work out problems'. Kind of like an old married couple.
"Half-fast"???? Okay.... now I see the mentality we are dealing with here...
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Okay, so tell me why this person was banned?
I don't know what person you're referring to, but the mods don't discuss individual bans, and I specifically started this thread to ask about procedures, not an individual ban. So please don't discuss individual bannings, or the thread will have to be closed without an answer to its question.
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I find it had to understand why there are those that want the un-banning, of a person , we all know we are referring to, just because she had knowledge of the breed, ,this person ,was rude, pushed the rules, hurt feelings, you have her email, some of you, talk to her that way, i find this kind of pressure, your putting on the mods, un-called for.
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