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Here's my take on it. First there is notification of a problem with a post or poster. There is discussion back and forth, possibly, between the mods and the poster. The mods deliver their ultimatum. If the poster doesn't comply, then there may be a temporary ban. Remember Who Let the Dogs Out or whatever his name was. He was always getting temp bans for being rude. He would come back, continuing to be rude. Time and time again. Finally, he was banned for good.

I believe the mods don't want to ban anybody and that they give everyone a chance to stay on the forum. I've had some warnings myself and some were over private messages. People can complain about those too. So the offense isn't necessarily public or because of a locked thread. I decided to play nice because staying on the forum was more important to me than making any point...petty or otherwise.

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Can someone become unbanned?
Yes they can become "unbanned". There are some that have been banned for life but they come back under a different name and start all over again. Some SHOULD be given lifetime bans.

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I think coming back with a different identity is against the rules and grounds for banning. The whole purpose of a permanent ban is to get the person off the site.
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That's not the same as knowing exactly that these procedures and guidelines were followed, that mods behaved in a neutral and respectful way, etc... <- I doubt we would know that exactly unless they revealed their side of the story.
Well, neither of us wants them to discuss individual issues, so that's not going to happen. But I think it would help a lot to hear mods give the guidelines and state that they have been followed (there are like six mods, right, so we can probably trust that guidelines have been followed if they say they have).

And what's the rationale for not hearing the procedures? You say it might not help, and maybe you're right, but how could it hurt?

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And no. I still do not want them to start discussing bans publically. It would make matters worse.
I totally agree.
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Yes they can become "unbanned". There are some that have been banned for life but they come back under a different name and start all over again.
Which is why IP's are blocked...

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I was a moderator for many years on another forum. I stepped down this year becasue I just didnt care for another member also a mod and how she did things. I got tired of always defending members and the one to keep a cool head about things. The forum wasnt any fun any more.

I dont think that procceedures need to be talked about. I do thik that forum rulles and guidelines should be a sticky main pages. People forget after they have been on a forum for a long time what is okay and what is not.Especially if they start to feel like the forum is a home away from home.

On the forum I was on we had pre-warnings...this was like a verbal talking too ( if we were in a office setting). Then a warning ( like getting written up). We usually tried to cut people some slack and handed out several of these before the actual ban. We also had a 1 day ban, a week ban a month ban and then permament ban. All that could be reversed if the mods talked it through and wanted to give another chance.

I am sure that the mods here do the same thing.
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Here's my take on it. First there is notification of a problem with a post or poster. There is discussion back and forth, possibly, between the mods and the poster. The mods deliver their ultimatum. If the poster doesn't comply, then there may be a temporary ban.
This is my understanding too, so I would love to hear the mods confirm that. I also would like to hear how much inter-mod discussion takes place before a ban is put in place.

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I believe the mods don't want to ban anybody and that they give everyone a chance to stay on the forum. I've had some warnings myself and some were over private messages. People can complain about those too. So the offense isn't necessarily public or because of a locked thread. I decided to play nice because staying on the forum was more important to me than making any point...petty or otherwise.
I too believe that bans are only done reluctantly and as a last resort and after at least one warning, especially in the case of longstanding members (it would be a little different if somebody brand new came on and immediately broke rules right and left). I'd like to hear that confirmed by the mods.

Transparency earns trust. Individual cases can't and shouldn't be made transparent, but the process certainly can.
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I dont think that procceedures need to be talked about.
Why not? What's the downside?

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On the forum I was on we had pre-warnings...this was like a verbal talking too ( if we were in a office setting). Then a warning ( like getting written up). We usually tried to cut people some slack and handed out several of these before the actual ban. We also had a 1 day ban, a week ban a month ban and then permament ban. All that could be reversed if the mods talked it through and wanted to give another chance.

I am sure that the mods here do the same thing.
But wouldn't it be nice to know for sure? I think that's how GRF works, but I don't know. Why not have a mod or two explain it so we know what to expect? I don't see the downside to this.
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Here's my take on it. First there is notification of a problem with a post or poster. There is discussion back and forth, possibly, between the mods and the poster. The mods deliver their ultimatum. If the poster doesn't comply, then there may be a temporary ban. Remember Who Let the Dogs Out or whatever his name was. He was always getting temp bans for being rude. He would come back, continuing to be rude. Time and time again. Finally, he was banned for good.

I believe the mods don't want to ban anybody and that they give everyone a chance to stay on the forum.
Sorry to all but I am so swamped at work and can only stick this short post in here for now.

Basically what Penny's Mom mention above is what is done. Bans of any kind we do as last resorts, after warning may have not worked (unless you are a spammer).

Also please know we will not ever discuss warnings or banning on the board. I know in the past with other Admins this was done a few times. I personally feel what is discussed between a member and the Mod team is only a concern of these parties. I know if the shoe was on the other foot I would not want something in public that I may have been warned or banned over. So fear not, this will not change.
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