Newbie to Raw Feeding - Golden Retrievers : Golden Retriever Dog Forums
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old 05-12-2019, 02:29 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 91
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Thanks: 40
Thanked 39 Times in 32 Posts
Newbie to Raw Feeding

Introduced my 8 week Golden to raw diet for one meal. Started off with chicken neck, egg and veggies that I ground up. He gets his kibble for his other two meals. Would like to eventually switch to an all raw diet for his meals when he is down to 2 meals a day. Also I want to make sure that he gets all the nutrition that he needs as a growing puppy. My question is do I need to weigh out what I feed him? Any tips on planning meals and portion control?
SusanS is offline  
post #2 of 5 (permalink) Old 05-12-2019, 03:33 PM
Golden Ret Enthusiast
 
Maggie'sVoice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,242
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Quoted: 223 Post(s)
Thanks: 957
Thanked 754 Times in 496 Posts
You really should be on a large breed puppy dry food for at least the first 6-8 months. They give correct ratios of Calcium and phosphorous. A large breed puppy food will have a ratio of 1.1-1.4 to 1 of calcium to phos. Phosphorous inhibits calcium absorption so a ratio of 2:1 means too much calcium they will likely grow way to fast for their joint which can lead to pano and or dysplasia. That is why Large Breed Puppy food and not a regular puppy food.



The type of questions you're asking leads me to believe you're not even close to making your own dogs food. I have been into dog nutrition for well over 20 years and I have been out to over 5 different R&D labs of major food manufactures and I still wouldn't make my own raw food. Just too easy to mess it up and create excesses and or deficiencies in the diet and certainly at an age (8 weeks) that the puppy is growing at such a large rate. Missing or having too much of any nutrients now can be really detrimental.



I do raw but I do commercially premade from companies like Nature's Variety, Nature's logic and Bravo (haven't tried Stella and Chewy's raw) and mix them into a good kibble and feed raw only meals about 30-40% of the time. These foods are tested to make sure of no excesses or deficiencies and no pathogens. They add the right amount of bone (crushed) to make sure there is enough calcium. The way you're explaining what your meals it sounds like you may have uncontrolled calcium and other nutrients in the meals (the fact you're asking about measuring). The necks may also be an issue as puppies at that age don't understand what they are eating yet and small neck bone could lead to the puppy choking as well.


I would stay with a high quality lg brd puppy kibble and revisit the raw diets at 6 months or older. During that time I would REALLY study up the raw diets. Internet raw recipes are known to be unbalanced over time so it is not easy to do your own raw diets.

Eric
Golden Enthusiast


Maggie'sVoice is offline  
post #3 of 5 (permalink) Old 05-12-2019, 03:39 PM
Golden Ret Enthusiast
 
Maggie'sVoice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,242
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Quoted: 223 Post(s)
Thanks: 957
Thanked 754 Times in 496 Posts
Also, be careful about with doing certain diets. The DCM issue that is diet related may also be from a lot of plant based ingredients in the form of Lectins. My raw food that I get from Nature's Variety is roughly 95% meat based and only 5% fruits and veggies. If you continue to try and do your own raw diet, make sure you are not adding legumes of any sort and keeping the carbs down below 20% and ideally under 10% (which is hard). This is fine overall as dogs and cats have no dietary requirement of carbohydrates.

Eric
Golden Enthusiast


Maggie'sVoice is offline  
post #4 of 5 (permalink) Old 05-12-2019, 04:43 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 91
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Thanks: 40
Thanked 39 Times in 32 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggie'sVoice View Post
Also, be careful about with doing certain diets. The DCM issue that is diet related may also be from a lot of plant based ingredients in the form of Lectins. My raw food that I get from Nature's Variety is roughly 95% meat based and only 5% fruits and veggies. If you continue to try and do your own raw diet, make sure you are not adding legumes of any sort and keeping the carbs down below 20% and ideally under 10% (which is hard). This is fine overall as dogs and cats have no dietary requirement of carbohydrates.
Thanks for your advice. I will look into the premade raw diets and continue to keep him on his Lg Breed Puppy kibble. Have you ever tried K9 Naturals?
SusanS is offline  
post #5 of 5 (permalink) Old 05-12-2019, 06:01 PM
Golden Ret Enthusiast
 
Maggie'sVoice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,242
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Quoted: 223 Post(s)
Thanks: 957
Thanked 754 Times in 496 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by SusanS View Post
Thanks for your advice. I will look into the premade raw diets and continue to keep him on his Lg Breed Puppy kibble. Have you ever tried K9 Naturals?
No I have not. I just looked it up on chewy.com and is from New Zealand and crazy expensive here at $205 for an 8 pounds bag. It's it just a freeze dried raw and not a freeze frozen raw?

The one I found was freeze dried and it reads well for the ingredients but there's less moisture then dry kibble at 8% compared to 10% and 37% fat! The fat content in a dogs diet should generally be 8-16% fat (from low fat to puppy foods) That is an insane amount of fat that could easily lead to pancreatitis. A condition caused by excessive fat in the diet.

Eric
Golden Enthusiast


Maggie'sVoice is offline  
Reply

Bookmarks

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Golden Retrievers : Golden Retriever Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome