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To some degree I agree with you Kate. The flatties are closer to the field goldens than they are to the show goldens that have split decades ago (since you brought up the 100 difference between the breeds).
Having been around both and training with both I see more similarities. But again, up to Rose we have owned only field goldens. But I do not recall calling them the same breed.

I honestly I just do not see how this subforum or any other subforum on the other breeds would impact the golden breed.
As far as the threads in this subforum, I personally see it more of a learning history of the breeds with articles from GRCA FCRSA etc.


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While reading from the first link I posted came across something I found very interesting:

".....There is a great profusion of coat, of a light, soft, silky hair ... which is rather longer and heavier that the generality of Setters. They are particularly strong and powerful in their forequarters, beautifully feathered on their fore legs, tail and breeches; easily broken, very lofty in carriage, staunch, excellent dogs and good finders. Though liver, or liver and white is not a recognized colour in shows. My belief is that there are as good dogs of this colour as of any other colour.”

This description in many ways fits that of a Golden Retriever. It might even be possible that the now undesirable white that sometimes shows up on Goldens today is a “throw-back” to these Setters. Laverack goes on to mention another strain of liver-colored Setters called Edmond Castle Setters. These were “likewise liver and white ... These dogs were much lighter and more speedy ... They are very deep, wide, and powerful in the forequarters; well bent in the stifles...” It should be pointed out here that during those times “liver” meant any shade of brown, including golden. Could it be that one of these strains of Setters are the precursors of our Goldens? Was, perhaps, Nous the product of some Setter breeding? It certainly seems possible....."

Golden Retriever Club of America (GRCA) HISTORY: The Origins of the Golden Retriever Revisited By Jeffrey Pepper


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