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I don't believe that most people have an issue with european style goldens. I think most golden lovers appreciate a golden in any shade - knowing that there are some style differences between what I would call the European style and what I would call the American style. What gets my hackles up is the term "english creme" - even worse the addition of "rare english creme". Last I knew goldens were pretty popular in the UK and there was no shortage of dogs - a plane ride apparently makes them rare (I don't get that). In my observation the term "English lines" is seems to be the more legitimate descriptive term.

When someone tells me that they are looking for a "rare english creme" or a breeder who sells "rare english cremes" I have the same reaction that I have to "hypoallergenic labradoodles" - I can't get passed the dishonest marketing factor...

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IWhen someone tells me that they are looking for a "rare english creme" or a breeder who sells "rare english cremes" I have the same reaction that I have to "hypoallergenic labradoodles" - I can't get passed the dishonest marketing factor...

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Absolutely - - - I so agree with this. That is the issue - the dishonest marketing.

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When we got Shelby, she was 21 months, and almost white. Over the last couple of months, she's gotten considerably darker (although still very light) and her feathering is finally starting to get long. She's 27 months now.

When we first got her, my dh thought she looked funny. "I thought we were getting a Golden Retriever" Just last night I commented on how dark she was getting. He thought it was just that she needed a bath. No, in fact, she gets darker every time I bathe her! His next comment was priceless: well, then, stop bathing her! Turns out he's had a change of heart and kind of likes the lighter color now.

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Does Gracie have a Red Barn Bone?
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Hey Smooch's mom (Gosh I love that name : )

No it is a Merrick Bone - - - her first one actually.

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When we first got her, my dh thought she looked funny. "I thought we were getting a Golden Retriever" Just last night I commented on how dark she was getting. He thought it was just that she needed a bath. No, in fact, she gets darker every time I bathe her! His next comment was priceless: well, then, stop bathing her! Turns out he's had a change of heart and kind of likes the lighter color now.

Aww.... I think we can easily love whatever shade of gold our babies come in.
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A Golden, is a Golden, is a Golden. What the color of our Goldens coat is labeled is just semantics to me. Many people would label me as white. Technically, that is not true. I'm light, but I am not white.

If someone visits the forum looking for an English Cream, why can't we just help them find a "reputable" breeder who breeds "light" Goldens?

I'd love a Golden in every shade. I don't think I will ever fill that dream, but I can hang onto that hope.


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I'd love a Golden in every shade. I don't think I will ever fill that dream, but I can hang onto that hope.

Me too! I think they're all beautiful. I also agree with what you said about helping them find the dog of their dreams, whatever color that may be, rather than telling them that a light colored dog is incorrect.
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Erica,

The point I'm trying desperately to make is the general public is not any more aware of "Rare English Creams" than doodle breeders or BYB breeders who don't do clearances. So yes, it is up to us to help them out.

However, it would be great if the English Cream warning were incorporated into the general education as to the pitfalls to avoid on all fronts when searching for a breeder. While many of the members here are quite schooled in the differences, the new people who come here are not. If avoiding rare English Creams is part of the entire discussion of things to avoid then maybe every inquiry won't turn in to another heated debate between us while the potential Golden owner or member of the forum has long gone.

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If someone visits the forum looking for an English Cream, why can't we just help them find a "reputable" breeder who breeds "light" Goldens?
And I have seen that happen more that a few times on this forum. The advice is generally a warning about the "english creme" marketing hype followed by a link to the GRCA referral or the local area breed club. A couple of times it's been - go talk to so and so from XYZ - which I think is fine, but I personally would rather give people information - what they should ask - what they should be asked and let them make their own decisions.

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