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I purchased my golden from a kennel. The paper work showed her ABA registered. When I inquired the owner told me that the ABA was as good if not better than the AKC. She said that eventually it will be all ABA and no more AKC Is this fact or fiction?
 
#5 ·
To answer your question w/r to both parents being registered....

The type of registration matters. If one or both parents had limited registration, what that means is any puppies from such breedings CANNOT BE REGISTERED. They are essentially the same as mutts - literally. Only way you can get AKC registration on your puppy is PAL registration (which people with mutts use).

Your breeder is trying to look legit and save face in front of you - even if it means lying to you.
 
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The type of registration matters. If one or both parents had limited registration, what that means is any puppies from such breedings CANNOT BE REGISTERED. They are essentially the same as mutts - literally. Only way you can get AKC registration on your puppy is PAL registration (which people with mutts use).
PAL is for dogs who can pass a purebred. You cannot register mutts as PAL. Mutts get the Canine Partners registration (source: I had/have registered mutts).

https://www.akc.org/register/information/canine-partners/
https://www.akc.org/register/information/purebred-alternative-listing-pal/
 
#7 ·
Mistake on previous post earlier today

I posted that my golden was registered with the ABA which is incorrect. It’s the APR (American pet registry). In fact just received paper work from them asking me to register her for a fee of 25.00. Since she is spayed I see no reason to do this. Unless someone out there can give me a good reason to.
 
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I posted that my golden was registered with the ABA which is incorrect. It’s the APR (American pet registry). In fact just received paper work from them asking me to register her for a fee of 25.00. Since she is spayed I see no reason to do this. Unless someone out there can give me a good reason to.
You have 4 hours to edit a post. You should be able to go ahead and make changes to the post as the 4 hours is not up.
 
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Jeff s. I merged your two threads on this subject together so all the info and replies are in the same thread.

As LynnC mentioned, you have up to 4 hours from the time you make a post to Edit it-delete, make any changes, etc.

Select the "Edit" button when you want to change your post. After the 4 hours, no changes can be made to a post per the Site Owner's policy.
 
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Ok. Last time. I erred when I wrote ABA it’s actually APR Which stands for American Pet Registry. I checked and they are legit. Her papers list both parents as Golden's with their reg numbers and names as well as the breeders name and address. The only difference between the AKC and the APR is AKC is better known. Been around longer
 
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Yikes, you purchased from a backyard breeder. Not the end of the world, many of us did before we knew better. Heck, I did know better when I was ready for my first golden and I still did. She also happened to be able to be registered through APRI. However, I knew that it is a junk registry and didn't bother wasting the money. Instead I spayed her and registered her with AKC thru their PAL program. Because I knew I took a risk when getting from a not reputable breeder, I took precautions and got insurance on her as well as xrayed her hips and elbows when she became an adult. She also gets her eyes checked every year. She's just a pet, but a pet I love very much and want to ensure she's around as long as possible.
 
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The only difference between the AKC and the APR is AKC is better known. Been around longer
The big difference is AKC is a legit registrar utilized by breeders focused on preserving and improving purebred breeds.

APRI is a glorified mutt registrar that came about because of breeders wanting to dupe puppy buyers into paying more for poor quality and unpapered and unregisterable dogs.

Good luck.
 
#13 ·
APRI is for puppy millers, pet stores. It's not for legit breeders who are preservationist, breed educators, breed people period. The main difference between the two is that APRI started w flea market pets, and HVB's. It's a non-entity.
 
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After extensive research including several phone calls here is what I found. AKC is the oldest and biggest pet Registry in the country. However, there cannot be monopolies in the US. So there are several other lesser known organizations. Some very legit some not so legit. I thankfully found that APR is one that is very legit. I went as far as to speak in length to the breeder by phone. He explained to me how long he has been breeding Golden’s and what kind of TLC he puts into it. I think this should alleviate any concerns and end answer any further questions However if anyone would like to ask questions or add additional comments feel free.
 
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Sadly, Jeff, you are being fed some misinformation. I'm not a breeder, I have no stake in this game. But APR is not legit except to people who see conspiracy around every corner when it comes to big companies or science or in this case, the major dog breed registry in the U.S. It has nothing to do with monopolies. It is the major U.S. registry for breeds, recognized around the world, just as the Canadian Kennel Club is.
 
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Jeff, I know you are invested in your breeder's opinion, but it is not held by anyone outside the APRI group, whereas AKC and CKC (Canadian not Continental who is just like APRI, a mill-type registry) are regarded by all in the world. APRI registration and ContKC registration are not accepted by any other world registries. While YOU might believe 'this should alleviate any concerns' etc, no one involved in legit dog sport does believe what you believe.
I hope you love your dog, and continue to receive support from your breeder.
 
#19 ·
Jeff you have a precious dog, enjoy what you got. If you want to participate in AKC events you needed to purchase a AKC registered dog or file for a PAL registration to participate. APRI may provide a registry but does not, to my knowledge have any conformation trials where breeders can participate to get validation they are breeding quality dogs that meet the AKC breed standard. Does APRI have a written breed standard for the breeder to go by?
Not sure the Golden Retriever Club of America recognizes this registry. GRCA works with OFA to set the standard for a good breeder. If your breeder decided this wasn't important I would be more concerned about OFA clearances than registry. Did the breeder have the hips & elbows x-rayed and sent in to OFA for evaluation at or after 24 months? Does the breeder have heart clearances from a cardiologist? or eyes cleared by an optometrist every 12 months?
There are some pretty nasty health problems that exist in the golden retriever breed. So if your breeder did all these things and you don't want to participate in any of the multitude of activities or breed.... what difference does it make what registry the breeder used?

Enjoy the dog you have but don't for a second let anyone tell you there is a better organization for the preservation of the pure bred dog.
 
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I guess most folks on here are much more serious than I regarding Golden’s. All I can say is the kennel that I purchased her from had a vet on staff and she was given a clean bill as far as hips, eyes etc. but wanting to be sure I took her to my vet for a thorough exam and he also gave her a thumbs up. Only issue has been parasites which is a common problem. This animal is a gentle sweet girl who is always it seems glued to my side. That’s all I personally wanted when I decided to buy another golden.
 

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#21 ·
Your pup is precious... lots of people on this forum including me have been where you are. Some have been lucky and not had any health problems. Some are breeders that work really hard to breed a healthy and structurally bred dog that can do the job it was bred for. These breeders work really hard to produce a quality, breed standard, healthy puppy. Most are very honest and it's frustrating when backyard breeders deceive people to sell a puppy. FWIW your breeder was being deceptive.

I appreciate you received a positive review from the vet on your puppy but promise you this is not adequate... Please get insurance for your bank accounts safety. If your breeder does not have the breeding dogs tested there is a very high possibility for hip or elbow dysplasia. This can cost thousands of dollars (per limb) and a lifetime of pain for your dog. This shows the breeder is making a living off the pups and not concerned with the quality of the puppy. No good breeder sends home pups with parasites :)

I would also have your girls heart checked, not by the vet but by a cardiologist. We have had so many people post on this forum how they came home to find their puppy dead.... heart & eye problems are a serious problem in this breed so for peace of mind have them checked at about 15 months. At 2 you might have the OFA hip/elbow clearance done just to know if you are going to have problems in the future. This needs to be done by a ortho DR. and information worth getting.
 
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No good breeder sends home pups with parasites :)
This is not necessarily true and could be misleading. My German shepherd breeder comes highly recommended by many, health tests her dogs in every way possible, works and titles her own dogs, and raises litters exceptionally with great socialization and care. My puppy came home with coccidia. When we found out my boy had it, the other 6 people that had his littermates got their pups tested, and three of them had it as well. The puppy the breeder kept did not have it. She had gotten a clear fecal before she sent all the puppies home, yet 4 of the 7 pups had coccidia. She is a very good breeder. It just happens sometimes.
 
#24 ·
Let me see. This may get a bit testy. But the breeder was not whom I purchased her from. I got her from a kennel that’s been here on long island for 40 years. Very reputable. But when someone says good chance of hip problems or take her to a cardiologist that’s pushing it a bit far. How about an encologist for a pet scan. Maybe an ent doc to make certain she doesn’t have sinus issues. The dentist to check for cavities. Come on. Please lighten up. She is a dog. A pet who is well taken care of.Need I say more?
 
#25 ·
Well, it seems you joined up to start some controversy and are not able to see the reality of which registries are respected and which are not. It's a well-proven fact that dogs whose parents and grandparents have had the hip, elbow, cardiologist and eye exams are less likely to have issues with same. Your definition of 'reputable' is not likely to be the same as my own, and the suggestion that the 'core 4' clearances absence might be an issue for your puppy in the future was just good advice. Don't follow it- doesn't matter to anyone posting, we do not have pay the bills for your dog! But sinus and dentists are not a piece of the code of ethics (hmmm.. ethics... these are important) so to suggest they are equally important to check is just foolish.
 
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Jeff I wish you many years with your girl and hope you are one of the lucky ones that isn't burdened with a history of health problems. Enjoy your precious pup and take lots of pictures to share. We love to hear happy stories.

FYI: this is what comes up if you google "health issues in golden retrievers" you could use some education on the breed you just bought.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hea.....69i57j0l5.7648j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
#31 ·
I am not personally a huge fan of the AKC. I think they could do a better job with their Marketplace site, ensuring that all of the dogs listed for sale meet the minimum health certifications listed by the governing club for the breed, in our case the GRCA. I also think that they have started doing things to make more money, and could spend some more of that money helping the breeds that they service. I think they could provide more information along the lines of what K9Data and OFA does. If the GRCA stepped away from AKC and started doing it all on it's own I would definitely not mind buying a GRCA registered dog, but that's just nonsense. I do rely on the AKC as the register of all pure bred dogs here in America. I also rely on their titling system to let me know what attributes the lines I'm looking at possess. I would not pay money for a dog that I could not verify parentage on with the AKC. I personally research AKC, OFA, and K9Data when looking at any puppy or dog.
I think you are asking AKC to do what the breed clubs SHOULD BE DOING.

GRCA is pretty solid and most breeders who are active and responsible members are almost neurotic (in a good way) about dotting the I's and crossing the T's.

Other breed clubs are a lot more slack. This concerns breeding close relatives, breeding dogs who failed clearances, etc.

It's up to the owners to educate themselves and avoid really bad breeders out there. If somebody is saying there should be fly by night registries to compete with AKC, that sadly demonstrates lack of knowledge about all this stuff. And it's not their fault consider there are breeders who know very well that they can lie their faces off and people who just want a dog will assume they are hearing facts and truths.

This includes vets by the way who are in a position of authority for a lot of people, but some vets out there are as clueless as anyone else. More and more frequently, you might not have a regular vet who even owns a purebred dog. Some of the younger vets out there primarily own rescue dogs.

Again - if AKC got more involved, you would have upset breed clubs crying foul about AKC stepping on their toes.

Also. :)

I agree with somebody else that a breeder sending a puppy home with worms or other issues... isn't that great. Most breeders I know have wormed the pups before they go home and they will send notes home with the buyers to take to their vets.

The only puppy I brought home who had worms was the first one from a backyard breeder.

Another pup had coccidia, but that's a different issue (it's more stress related).
 
#32 ·
I am not personally a huge fan of the AKC. I think they could do a better job with their Marketplace site, ensuring that all of the dogs listed for sale meet the minimum health certifications listed by the governing club for the breed, in our case the GRCA. I also think that they have started doing things to make more money, and could spend some more of that money helping the breeds that they service. I think they could provide more information along the lines of what K9Data and OFA does. If the GRCA stepped away from AKC and started doing it all on it's own I would definitely not mind buying a GRCA registered dog, but that's just nonsense. I do rely on the AKC as the register of all pure bred dogs here in America. I also rely on their titling system to let me know what attributes the lines I'm looking at possess. I would not pay money for a dog that I could not verify parentage on with the AKC. I personally research AKC, OFA, and K9Data when looking at any puppy or dog.
I think you are asking AKC to do what the breed clubs SHOULD BE DOING.

GRCA is pretty solid and most breeders who are active and responsible members are almost neurotic (in a good way) about dotting the I's and crossing the T's.

Other breed clubs are a lot more slack. This concerns breeding close relatives, breeding dogs who failed clearances, etc.

It's up to the owners to educate themselves and avoid really bad breeders out there. If somebody is saying there should be fly by night registries to compete with AKC, that sadly demonstrates lack of knowledge about all this stuff. And it's not their fault consider there are breeders who know very well that they can lie their faces off and people who just want a dog will assume they are hearing facts and truths.

This includes vets by the way who are in a position of authority for a lot of people, but some vets out there are as clueless as anyone else. More and more frequently, you might not have a regular vet who even owns a purebred dog. Some of the younger vets out there primarily own rescue dogs.

Again - if AKC got more involved, you would have upset breed clubs crying foul about AKC stepping on their toes.

Also. <img src="http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />

I agree with somebody else that a breeder sending a puppy home with worms or other issues... isn't that great. Most breeders I know have wormed the pups before they go home and they will send notes home with the buyers to take to their vets.

The only puppy I brought home who had worms was the first one from a backyard breeder.

Another pup had coccidia, but that's a different issue (it's more stress related).
I can agree with you, and I honestly didn’t think about AKC stepping on the breed clubs toes, but the AKC Marketplace allowing the check box for clearances with no verification is misleading to many buyers that are trying to make educated decisions. They trust that if AKC is allowing it to be posted it is legit.
 
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First time I have been on this forum in days. I see many are still responding to my original post regarding registration. Someone suggested I posted to start a controversy. Not true at all. I just was looking for simple suggestions or input. As for health issues, every single breed has issues. Google and and you will find a listing of what health problems they may be susceptible to. As far as bringing her home with worms. I received paper work showing her history. She had all her shots including deworming. She was checked weekly by a vet. No one can guarantee the future health of your dog. We can only do all the preventive maintenance necessary and take the best possible care and hope for the best. My dog is sweet, gentle very smart and very pretty. She is great in the house and wonderful with people. So far so good.
 
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First time I have been on this forum in days. I see many are still responding to my original post regarding registration. Someone suggested I postehttps://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/golden-retriever-puppy-up-1-year/508336-six-months-too-skinny.htmld to start a controversy. Not true at all. I just was looking for simple suggestions or input. As for health issues, every single breed has issues. Google and and you will find a listing of what health problems they may be susceptible to. As far as bringing her home with worms. I received paper work showing her history. She had all her shots including deworming. She was checked weekly by a vet. No one can guarantee the future health of your dog. We can only do all the preventive maintenance necessary and take the best possible care and hope for the best. My dog is sweet, gentle very smart and very pretty. She is great in the house and wonderful with people. So far so good.

Your dog came with health problems...as you mentioned in this thread.
https://www.goldenretrieverforum.co...y-up-1-year/508336-six-months-too-skinny.html

She's full of worms and has had worms since you got her and only weighs 35 lbs at 8 months of age. Everyone loves their dog, as they should....but you bought her from a BYB or puppy mill. No decent breeder has alternative registration and would try telling you it was just as good. You live and learn. I hope you do have a healthy dog....but when she comes from poor stock, and a lousy breeder....and likely had bad living conditions...you need to open up your eyes. Listen to what the members here have told you. Get some health insurance on her....she may need it in the future.
 
#36 ·
Wow. I better not mention I adopted my Golden from the dog meat trade in China! She has no papers, obviously, but you wouldn't know it by looking at her - she is gorgeous! But I bet she won't have any of the health issues the "purebreds" have. As you do realize the "show" Goldens were inbred for their traits. Instead of being a dog "snob" shouldn't we all just be thankful that we are blessed to have dogs at all no matter where they came from or what "papers" they have or don't have. I know I saved a beautiful soul from a terrible life and that makes my heart very happy!
 

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#37 ·
I don't think it has to do with being a "snob", it has to do with supporting breeders that follow the COE "Code of Ethics". If in a perfect world we all only purchased dogs that were bred following the COE we wouldn't have many of the problems we see today. Purebreds and mutts all have health issues. I don't think that any of the breeders following the COE would end up with a dog in the China Meat Market. I also don't think they would be looking for an alternative registry to the AKC. I do think they still occasionally have dogs that develop health issues, but if they are the kind of breeder I respect they are as concerned about the cause as the owner. They are concerned because they do not want to continue the problem in future litters, causing more issues for the breed in the long run.

I am extremely proud of some of the breeders of Golden's for stepping up this past year and facing the NCL crisis head on. I don't think that a breeder using an alternative registry would do that. They may not even know what I'm talking about. (still today)

I am happy that you love your dog, and that you saved her from the meat market. I personally choose to support breeders that share my core values and love/concern for the breed. Thirty years ago when I bought my first Golden we didn't have to worry about many of the issues we worry about today. These problems are in my opinion due to over breeding for profit. Interestingly enough the last puppy I purchased had one litter mate go to the head of a large Golden rescue, she purchased it. A second litter mate went to a home that had previously adopted a dog from a rescue with the same father. They loved him so much that they researched the lines and bought a puppy from the breeder. I don't think that those of us that worry about the COE, or pay money for our dogs are snobs, I think we are trying to preserve the qualities we love for the future.

Just today I looked at a litter from a breeder that I had respect for and saw something that disappointed me. I made a mental note to keep an eye on future breeding's for what I saw today. Maybe it was an accidental breeding, or maybe they are no longer following the COE. It matters to me and I'm not currently in the market for a puppy. I just know that the next time I am I want the best puppy I can get from a breeder I trust.

Sometimes people ask questions and they don't like the answers. Part of being an adult is making your own decisions and living with your choice. Your girl is beautiful.
 
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Wow. I better not mention I adopted my Golden from the dog meat trade in China! She has no papers, obviously, but you wouldn't know it by looking at her - she is gorgeous! But I bet she won't have any of the health issues the "purebreds" have. As you do realize the "show" Goldens were inbred for their traits. Instead of being a dog "snob" shouldn't we all just be thankful that we are blessed to have dogs at all no matter where they came from or what "papers" they have or don't have. I know I saved a beautiful soul from a terrible life and that makes my heart very happy!
That's outta left field. My bridge boy was adopted here in San Diego. His mama came from Mexico pregnant. I still registered him with the AKC as a canine partner cause I wanted to get his CGC. I had a bunch of health problems with him that eventually led to his death at just 4 years old. I bought my next dog, Lana, from a reputable breeder... hoping to avoid all the health issues I had with Bear. The desire to support a reputable breeder isn't snobbery. I've (and I can attest to many of the people on this thread) have never looked down on a dog for not being AKC registered. OP wanted to know the difference between AKC and APRI. The forum members spoke. AKC holds actual events. The registry has been around a LONG time. There is value there. Even just for mutts, like my Bear and Gypsy.
 
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