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Fending off dog attacks

Today, like everyday, I walked down my street with my dog, and in one particular house, two Staffordshire Terrier-type dogs slammed against the window, barking and snarling at us, then when we passed out of view of the window, they ran through the house, out a door, and across the yard to bark at us behind the fence. I've always thought that one day they would break through the window (which is usually open, so there's only a flimsy screen) or bust through the shoddy, needs-to-be-replaced fence to get to us. Well, that finally happened.

As we walked past, they were barking in the window and I was praising my girl for not reacting to them. We got a house or two down when I heard a crash. Sure enough, they broke through the fence. I immediately put my dog behind me and stepped firmly toward them and yelled, "Get out of here!" They backed off, but as soon as I turned my back, they came at us again. I did the same thing a second time, only firmer, and that time they took off for good. I hurried home.

Lesson learned for me:
Dogs WILL break through a fence if determined enough, but no matter what show they're putting on (hackles up, tail high, ears back, snarling) you can probably get them to back off if you're forceful enough with them.

Lesson learned for my dog:
She has no need to react to strange dogs because she can trust that I will handle them.



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Nice! Thank goodness you were able to use volume/tone/stance to get them to back off. Having two pits coming at you and your girl must've been pretty intense though. After an incident on a trail with an off leash dog trying to approach Luna with hackles raised, I bought pepper spray just in case I come across one that won't back down. Irresponsible owners make me so angry. Two pit bulls and a shoddy fence are a recipe for disaster. I certainly hope they aren't aggressive towards people too.
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Today, like everyday, I walked down my street with my dog, and in one particular house, two Staffordshire Terrier-type dogs slammed against the window, barking and snarling at us, then when we passed out of view of the window, they ran through the house, out a door, and across the yard to bark at us behind the fence. I've always thought that one day they would break through the window (which is usually open, so there's only a flimsy screen) or bust through the shoddy, needs-to-be-replaced fence to get to us. Well, that finally happened.

As we walked past, they were barking in the window and I was praising my girl for not reacting to them. We got a house or two down when I heard a crash. Sure enough, they broke through the fence. I immediately put my dog behind me and stepped firmly toward them and yelled, "Get out of here!" They backed off, but as soon as I turned my back, they came at us again. I did the same thing a second time, only firmer, and that time they took off for good. I hurried home.

Lesson learned for me:
Dogs WILL break through a fence if determined enough, but no matter what show they're putting on (hackles up, tail high, ears back, snarling) you can probably get them to back off if you're forceful enough with them.

Lesson learned for my dog:
She has no need to react to strange dogs because she can trust that I will handle them.
Bravo to you. Wow that must have been scary. I think I too would carry pepper spray. I hope you donít have any more scary situations.
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Sorry this happened.


Now for my opinion. You are making a mistake if you think that yelling at two Staffies is going to work. There is a difference between being smart and being lucky. This time you were lucky. I picture you and your dog engaged in a dog fight. How will you get two dogs to release your dog? Or how can you help your dog if one Staffy has a death grip on your leg or arm while the other is at your dog's throat? In my opinion you will one day be very, very sorry. I live in NYC and see plenty of Pitty types. Right now I avoid walking around my block because there is a nasty Boxer who has gotten loose and attacked two dogs that I know of. I also avoid dog parks for the same reason.


My advice---walk in another direction, carry something with you, and learn how to deal with a group of dogs that attack you.



PS You learned something. "As soon as I turned my back, they came at us again." This is what dogs do. I learned plenty from my uncle who had plenty of encounters with wild dog packs. He was a villager, sold pins, traveled from village to village in Greece and frequently encountered attacking dog packs. And he had the scars to prove it.


I do hope you take my advice.
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Oh my god I am so happy you and your dog are okay! This is truly one of my biggest fears and I hope I can act as bravely as you if it ever were to happen to us!

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One of our group members recently had this exact scenario, but hers ended in serious injury to both herself and her dog (do a search - it was a fairly recent thread).

First, I would absolutely report this to the local dog officer. At a minimum they can try to insist on the home owner reinforcing the fence, but if yours is not the first complaint, she may need the "evidence" of repeat offences to justify removing or forcing the owners to get rid of the dogs.

Second, I would carry a large umbrella (one of those that snaps open when you press a button). In a situation like you describe you can snap it open to hopefully startle the dogs, and use it as a physical and visual barrier if you need to.

And thirdly - yes... I'd carry a pepper spray (like Halt)... And choose a different walking route if you can....

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Today, like everyday, I walked down my street with my dog, and in one particular house, two Staffordshire Terrier-type dogs slammed against the window, barking and snarling at us, then when we passed out of view of the window, they ran through the house, out a door, and across the yard to bark at us behind the fence. I've always thought that one day they would break through the window (which is usually open, so there's only a flimsy screen) or bust through the shoddy, needs-to-be-replaced fence to get to us. Well, that finally happened.

As we walked past, they were barking in the window and I was praising my girl for not reacting to them. We got a house or two down when I heard a crash. Sure enough, they broke through the fence. I immediately put my dog behind me and stepped firmly toward them and yelled, "Get out of here!" They backed off, but as soon as I turned my back, they came at us again. I did the same thing a second time, only firmer, and that time they took off for good. I hurried home.

Lesson learned for me:
Dogs WILL break through a fence if determined enough, but no matter what show they're putting on (hackles up, tail high, ears back, snarling) you can probably get them to back off if you're forceful enough with them.

Lesson learned for my dog:
She has no need to react to strange dogs because she can trust that I will handle them.
Scary! Glad all turned out well! But just a warning, some dogs will NOT back off no matter what. When my husband and I first moved into our house we had a neighbor about a mile down the road who had 2 boxers. The first time we walked past their house the dogs weren't out, but by the time we had turned around and were walking home, they were out. This was only the first or second time we'd ever been out for a walk in our new neighborhood, so we didn't know yet that the boxers were aggressive. Our home is in the country, so nobody keeps their dogs tied up or fenced in, and these boxers were also just running loose. They came out snarling and snapping and I did exactly what you did, only they came right back at us. I gave April's leash to my husband and told him to just keep walking home with her. I kept stomping my feet yelling at the dogs, keeping myself between them and my husband who was walking away with our dog. I believe we all were very blessed/lucky to have not been mauled by these beasts! Their incompetent (to put it nicely) owner did practically nothing but holler at the dogs who were absolutely not going to be listening to her. My husband hollered (nicely actually, he probably should've been meaner!) at her that she needed to get her dogs under control. She finally got her lazy butt (excuse my language) up off the porch chair and came and grabbed both dogs by the collar so that I could finally get away without being attacked. She never once apologized or seemed even slightly concerned. From that point on, we never walked past that house. Thank goodness they moved a few years back and the new people who live there don't have dogs! Its nice to be able to take a walk with my dog and toddler without having to worry about being attacked!



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But just a warning, some dogs will NOT back off no matter what.
Yeah, that's why I said "probably."

Most dogs are all talk, but since I'm in the German shepherd world, I know some dogs will not back down. Not saying that only German shepherds would keep coming, of course, just that I have seen it specifically with that breed. I think I'll be carrying pepper spray from now on, just in case.



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Count your lucky stars... this time. Please don't let the matter end now. You are a witness to a dangerous condition. That means you now have a responsibility to take action so it is less likely to happen again to someone else. You predicted that escape and you can now reasonably predict that those dogs are still out of control and primed to do it again.

I must chime in to support the earlier advice for filing a report on this dog owner with your local Animal Services department. Don't dismiss it as being too late or 'water under the bridge'. The decisions to crack down on negligent people like them will be hastened by the existence of your report in the file.

Keep in mind, also, that other innocent people - perhaps seniors or children - are going to fall victim to those out-of-control dogs. You owe it to them to be proactive. Imagine how dogs like this would have reacted if a terrified child panicked and began running?

Additionally, these people need to feel the pressure their home-owners insurance can bear on them. Lots of policies are cancelled when the insurance company learns there is an aggressive pit or bully breed in the household. Clearly these negligent owners don't care about being good neighbors or citizens so it takes hitting them hard in the pocket book to see real change happen.
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The "use of force continuum" (google it if you'd like) was the first thing that came to mind when I read this post. I will use whatever it takes to protect myself and my family member. I have yelled at pit type dogs and had them turn and go away. I've also had to use more extreme measures when one came after me after first biting a child on the head. Waiting for animal control to get there was not an option.
I carry pepper spray too, but I've personally seen two dogs that were unaffected by it while they were in attack mode.

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