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The OP is quite defensive. My twelve week old puppy is coming to this vet's office daily. My understanding is that the length of time a pup,should be in a crate/confined is one hour per month .... So a two month pup,can be left alone two hours.....At work, my 12 week pup, Gabby can easily go three hours. She has the opportunity to play at lunch and then comes home to play with relatives...

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Running around the living room, the pup will eliminate willy nilly.

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Get him on your schedule, which wont' be easy. Get room darkining shades and excercise him alot, feed him so he pees and poops around what you do it and when.
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I'm actually having trouble piecing together the schedule the OP describes (like where folks are getting the 20 hour number), so I figured I'd just offer some general crate training advice based on what I can figure out.

Crate training for housebreaking is all about using the crate for when you can't watch the pup directly. However, as Sally's Mom said, you can't really expect a young pup to be in a crate much more than an hour per month he's been alive (i.e., 8 weeks=2 hours at a time), except at night when you're expecting him to sleep, where a pup can go 6-8 hours or 4+4 with a potty break in the middle if he's not able to hold it for 6.

When you're napping, the pup needs to be crated. The reason you can't housebreak him is that he's learning over and over that it's fine to poop and pee in the house. Housebreaking is all about interrupting a pup just as he tries to poop or pee and then carrying him outside and praising when he does it in the right spot. Once a pup is done eliminating, it's too late to interrupt him and too late to use it as housebreaking opportunity. Once he poops or pees inside and finishes, you've just taught him that it's OK to go there.

An X-pen can help make a compromise situation if you use puppy pads, but I've never done that personally.

In order to have the pup out of the crate more, you need to be able to devote your direct attention to him, particularly since this pup has had a confusing housebreaking experience where he's getting interrupted sometimes and peeing or pooping indoors successfully sometimes. You can't allow anymore successful accidents if you want to get him housebroken in a timely fashion.

This may mean using every waking minute and maybe cutting back on sleep a bit to give him exercise indoors and outdoors as well as watching him like a hawk when he's indoors so he does not eliminate without getting interrupted.

You can also do more acclimating him to the crate so he sees it as a safe, mellow place. Spend some time around it with the door open, tossing treats and soft toys in and letting him march in to get them and march right out again. Try napping on the floor right next to the crate if you can. Our dog Comet was a big yipper the first week or two of crate training, and after he was heavily exercised and seemed tired, I'd put him in the crate with the door open but block him in there with my body, and I'd either read a book or try to nap myself until he was asleep or at least calm.

Crate acclimation's not going to solve the problem if he's in the crate for more that a few hours a stretch or more than half his daytime hours. That's just too much to expect a pup to handle, even if you do lots of training to help him like the crate.

Good luck! I know some folks have been harsh on you, but it's because they love dogs and they worry about a pup who's spending more time than is healthy in the crate. C'mon back for more advice about crate training, crate acclimation, and housebreaking. Or, if you don't feel like posting anymore, there are a lot of threads on those topics you can read through.
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The OP started a new thread about this. He said he's putting furniture in storage and setting up x-pen.
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I'm actually having trouble piecing together the schedule the OP describes (like where folks are getting the 20 hour number), so I figured I'd just offer some general crate training advice based on what I can figure out.

Crate training for housebreaking is all about using the crate for when you can't watch the pup directly. However, as Sally's Mom said, you can't really expect a young pup to be in a crate much more than an hour per month he's been alive (i.e., 8 weeks=2 hours at a time), except at night when you're expecting him to sleep, where a pup can go 6-8 hours or 4+4 with a potty break in the middle if he's not able to hold it for 6.

When you're napping, the pup needs to be crated. The reason you can't housebreak him is that he's learning over and over that it's fine to poop and pee in the house. Housebreaking is all about interrupting a pup just as he tries to poop or pee and then carrying him outside and praising when he does it in the right spot. Once a pup is done eliminating, it's too late to interrupt him and too late to use it as housebreaking opportunity. Once he poops or pees inside and finishes, you've just taught him that it's OK to go there.

An X-pen can help make a compromise situation if you use puppy pads, but I've never done that personally.

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This may mean using every waking minute and maybe cutting back on sleep a bit to give him exercise indoors and outdoors as well as watching him like a hawk when he's indoors so he does not eliminate without getting interrupted.

You can also do more acclimating him to the crate so he sees it as a safe, mellow place. Spend some time around it with the door open, tossing treats and soft toys in and letting him march in to get them and march right out again. Try napping on the floor right next to the crate if you can. Our dog Comet was a big yipper the first week or two of crate training, and after he was heavily exercised and seemed tired, I'd put him in the crate with the door open but block him in there with my body, and I'd either read a book or try to nap myself until he was asleep or at least calm.

Crate acclimation's not going to solve the problem if he's in the crate for more that a few hours a stretch or more than half his daytime hours. That's just too much to expect a pup to handle, even if you do lots of training to help him like the crate.

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Great post! I haven't weighed in much here because I don't have anything constructive to say, but this is what I would have said!

Also, Brian - the number 20 is from one of the OP's posts. Someone asked him how long the puppy was in the crate and he gave that number. I'll find it for ya!
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Honestly, like 20.
There ya go! Not trying to be judgmental here, just pulling up the number because one member wasn't sure where it came from!
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There ya go! Not trying to be judgmental here, just pulling up the number because one member wasn't sure where it came from!
Thanks for the heads up. I missed it on the first go but saw it in others' posts. I get why people got upset and also why the OP would feel insulted, since he's obviously trying pretty hard to do right by his dog and was just following what he thought the vet was telling him to do.
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