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Im concerned that I might not have the choice of 'care and comfort' - that if there is a 5, 10 or 20,000 dollar procedure that can maybe extend life...that I will be forced to choose that option even if it means losing my home or emptying the kids college fund.
Pet ownership could be only for the very wealthy...

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I admit to being baffled by some responses. As I read the ruling, it does not being to approach treating dogs like humans in terms of rights. Rather it recognizes that they should have the same status as other types of property that have value beyond what the market would return, honoring our emotional relationship with them.

Might this raise insurance rates for veterinarians who are guilty of malpractice? Probably, but is that bad? Does it give us more recourse if someone kills an animal out of malice or negligence? I think so, and that's good.
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respectfully disagree on a couple of points you make. Vets do have a peer review process
Your point is well taken.

Unlike human hospitals, where there is continuous scrutiny by quality assurance commitees and review of performance by insurance providers, vets dont have to answer to queries by these watchdogs.
If things go wrong in the vets office operating rooms, the surgeon does not have to face a peer review or morbidity and mortality review body. He or she does not face the possibility of removal of privileges.

Yes, I agree there are state boards who, just like MD licensing boards who can pull the plug on a bad vet.

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Might this raise insurance rates for veterinarians who are guilty of malpractice? Probably, but is that bad?
The problem is the insurance rates will go up for all veterinarians, good and bad. They in turn will simply increase prices to cover these increases and this will cause some people to delay or not get needed care for their pets because they cannot afford to pay the increased prices. In addition, veterinarians will need to offer and recommend more complex testing in order to avoid a malpractice claim, which also tends to increase pricing. These changes will require more paperwork--consents, releases, etc. That increases administrative costs (and legal costs in getting the documents reviewed in advance), and that will also result in higher veterinary prices.
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They in turn will simply increase prices to cover these increases and this will cause some people to delay or not get needed care for their pets because they cannot afford to pay the increased prices.

That seems to happening anyway. We've been shocked at how quickly veterinary care costs are rising. Veterinary medicine used to be full of people who loved animals and kept costs reasonable. Now it seems too many are in love with the almighty dollar more.


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My two cents is that the law should reflect the reality of our pets' position in society. They are a special category of property. But I don't see using this change as a way to punish bad vets. Perhaps the law could changed, or the pets' status could be changed, AND we could avoid lawsuits. One way is for vets to have a contract with pet owners that stipulates arbitration not lawsuits to settle disputes. We are a highly litigious society. It'd be nice to be able to protect animals without putting vets' practices at huge risk.

On the other hand, I find it suspect that the "anti" groups are coming out with claims that costs will be driven so high that people won't be able to afford care for their pets, they'll be abandoned, etc. Somehow I don't think the "anti" people are really concerned about that . . . they just don't like the implications of this change to themselves.

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First, if the Supreme court of Texas upholds the appellate court , it will be effective in the State of Texas only, and other states will need to enact legislation or courts will need to adopt the Texas precedent. Here is the appellate court decision, for those of you who are interested: http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/1...rthOpinion.pdf
I've been unsuccessful in determining if an appeal has actually been filed with the Texas Supreme Court. The decision was rendered on November 15, 2011. It would not surprise me for a settlement to be reached in lieu of appeal.
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