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So frustrated and fed up!!!

So, I was about to have my home visit for a gr rescue group, but as I was idly looking at shelter sites, I found one shelter that's fairly close to my home that had 4 dogs—2 males, 2 females—that looked promising. The males were young and looked like golden mixes, but the females were bona fide goldens that were 7 and 8 years old. I discovered them after the shelter closed, so I read and reread the guidelines for adoption, and it all seemed pretty straightforward. All I had to do was go to the shelter, meet the dogs, tell a staff member who I liked, fill out an application that would put a hold on the dogs while my references were checked, and then the dogs would be mine. Easy as pie, wouldn't you say? Yeah, right.

So I go to the shelter right when it opens, which takes about an hour to get to, and I learn immediately that two of the dogs (the males) were already spoken for. But then I see the goldens. One is about to be walked by a staffer, so I go up to the dog, who is of course friendly and dying to say hello. I put her in a sit, and pat her. The other golden is in her kennel, looking a little distraught. Both are fairly thin. So I say I'm interested in them. I'm given an application to fill out but am also told that even with the application. I can't put a hold on them because I can't meet them yet. Why? I ask, also mentioning that I've already met one of them. Because, I'm told, they haven't been temperament tested yet. When will that happen? No one knows. So I fill out the application, can't meet the dogs, so I can't reserve them. Sound like a Catch-22? So I ask if I can meet any of the other dogs. No, I'm told because my references need to be checked. They do reference checks before you can meet a homeless dog? What the hell?

This kind of mentality is why people go to backyard breeders. Who wants to put up with this bureaucratic hogwash? And while I'm on a rant I want to ask what's up with shelter setups these days It used to be that available dogs were in their kennels that you could go up to and say hi. Now, the kennels are behind glass walls. You see the dogs, the dogs see you and are going crazy jumping and barking because they want some contact with all the people that are silently parading in front of them. There's a term, "barrier frustration," which dogs display by jumping and barking. It's not an aggressive behavior, it's a sign of frustration. And setups like these create or exacerbate this kind of behavior.

I was told that this setup is for insurance reasons, but I've volunteered and held obedience classes at shelters in two different states that were not set up like this, and I never heard of an insurance-related incident caused by people being allowed to have some interaction with the dogs. I mean if there are dogs that have aggression issues and are in danger of biting, then those dogs need to be separated out from the dogs that are available for adoption.

If this doesn't work out and I'm not able to adopt these two girls, then I've had it. There's a rescue in the south that has mostly pit bulls. They've told me they'd be more than willing to drive a dog out to my home and that's what I'm going to do. I've worked with pit bulls before. They're smart, loving animals. I hesitated going this route, partly because I wanted to adopt locally because, contrary to popular beliefs, dogs in the northeast do get put down because of overcrowding, and I wanted another golden because of how much I loved my last dog. But I'm sick of this uptight, stick-up-their-butt mentality. These people are idiots who think the more rules the better, they're giddy with the little bit of power they think they have, and their biggest accomplishments are discouraging responsible dog owners from giving homeless animals loving homes.

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Did the Shelter have their Adoption process and requirements posted on their website?

There are a lot of Shelters in some of the Counties in my State that work on a first come first basis, there's no adoption requirements, whoever shows up with the Adoption fee first is allowed to adopt an animal without any References being checked, the animals not receiving any Vet care such as shots, being tested for HW, or being altered before placement.

There are also a lot of shelters that are doing a great job of placing animals, applicants fill out an adoption application, references are checked, animals are fully vetted and altered before being placed, they're temperament tested, etc.

A lot of it depends on the County they are in, Community support they have, staff and Volunteers.

All States have different laws and requirements and Shelters operate differently within Counties of a State.
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It is frustrating trying to adopt or go through a rescue. I gave up and just found a way to raise a puppy (let my daughter and sil move in for a year). I think the dog you are meant to have will come to you so don't give up.


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"Did the Shelter have their Adoption process and requirements posted on their website?"

Yes! I outlined the process I found on its website in the first paragraph of my post. As far as I know there are no state-mandated adoption guidelines anywhere. If a shelter is telling you otherwise, then you're being lied to. I'm telling you, these ridiculous rules are the product of small-minded, petty bureaucrats.
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I read the paragraph as well as your entire post.

Animal Laws, shelter policies and procedures vary with each State.
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I read the paragraph as well as your entire post.

Animal Laws, shelter policies and procedures vary with each State.
Individual shelters set up their own adoption policies that vary from shelter to shelter. After that, it's the municipalities that are accountable for seeing that state laws for cleanliness and safety are being followed, none of which ever has anything to do with adoption policies. It's the idiots who run the shelters that do that, and sometimes these idiots take it upon themselves to make up their own little rules. I hope I'm making myself clear.
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I gave up on rescue groups myself. I don’t have a fenced in yard so none of them would talk to me. But my sister has what you would think is an ideal situation. Big house, large fenced in yard, kids in high school, she only works part time, financially secure. She got turned down because they vacation 3 times a year and have a pet sitter. Their vacations were labeled “excessive”.

Between the crazy rescue groups and the often just as crazy breeders, it’s easy to see how back yard breeders and puppy mills stay in business. Of course neither group takes responsibility for how their rules keep these groups in business.

Good luck. I’m sure you will find your new family member soon.
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So, I was about to have my home visit for a gr rescue group, but as I was idly looking at shelter sites, I found one shelter that's fairly close to my home that had 4 dogs—2 males, 2 females—that looked promising. The males were young and looked like golden mixes, but the females were bona fide goldens that were 7 and 8 years old. I discovered them after the shelter closed, so I read and reread the guidelines for adoption, and it all seemed pretty straightforward. All I had to do was go to the shelter, meet the dogs, tell a staff member who I liked, fill out an application that would put a hold on the dogs while my references were checked, and then the dogs would be mine. Easy as pie, wouldn't you say? Yeah, right.

So I go to the shelter right when it opens, which takes about an hour to get to, and I learn immediately that two of the dogs (the males) were already spoken for. But then I see the goldens. One is about to be walked by a staffer, so I go up to the dog, who is of course friendly and dying to say hello. I put her in a sit, and pat her. The other golden is in her kennel, looking a little distraught. Both are fairly thin. So I say I'm interested in them. I'm given an application to fill out but am also told that even with the application. I can't put a hold on them because I can't meet them yet. Why? I ask, also mentioning that I've already met one of them. Because, I'm told, they haven't been temperament tested yet. When will that happen? No one knows. So I fill out the application, can't meet the dogs, so I can't reserve them. Sound like a Catch-22? So I ask if I can meet any of the other dogs. No, I'm told because my references need to be checked. They do reference checks before you can meet a homeless dog? What the hell?

This kind of mentality is why people go to backyard breeders. Who wants to put up with this bureaucratic hogwash? And while I'm on a rant I want to ask what's up with shelter setups these days It used to be that available dogs were in their kennels that you could go up to and say hi. Now, the kennels are behind glass walls. You see the dogs, the dogs see you and are going crazy jumping and barking because they want some contact with all the people that are silently parading in front of them. There's a term, "barrier frustration," which dogs display by jumping and barking. It's not an aggressive behavior, it's a sign of frustration. And setups like these create or exacerbate this kind of behavior.

I was told that this setup is for insurance reasons, but I've volunteered and held obedience classes at shelters in two different states that were not set up like this, and I never heard of an insurance-related incident caused by people being allowed to have some interaction with the dogs. I mean if there are dogs that have aggression issues and are in danger of biting, then those dogs need to be separated out from the dogs that are available for adoption.

If this doesn't work out and I'm not able to adopt these two girls, then I've had it. There's a rescue in the south that has mostly pit bulls. They've told me they'd be more than willing to drive a dog out to my home and that's what I'm going to do. I've worked with pit bulls before. They're smart, loving animals. I hesitated going this route, partly because I wanted to adopt locally because, contrary to popular beliefs, dogs in the northeast do get put down because of overcrowding, and I wanted another golden because of how much I loved my last dog. But I'm sick of this uptight, stick-up-their-butt mentality. These people are idiots who think the more rules the better, they're giddy with the little bit of power they think they have, and their biggest accomplishments are discouraging responsible dog owners from giving homeless animals loving homes.
I would be going back to the shelter as often as possible, and calling the meantime to make sure they know who you are and that are seriously interested in the Goldens. Don't give up on the dogs.

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I also belong to the group with no chance of adoption from a rescue. For us it is no fenced yard (3 acres far from any highway) and 2 people working away from home (I presume these were the reasons).

After many tries including last attempt of adopting 10 year old blind Teddy the golden, we gave up.

I turned to classified ads to find adult goldens. I found a 2 year old golden in a need of new home as he didn’t meet his family standards (I didn’t bother asking for details about their standards). I also found 8 year old golden looking for his new home as his family fell short of change to buy a new piano, so they decided to sell a dog to help finance the purchase. And I also found 8 month old golden who needed a home as the family with 5 kids were divorcing, this family actually loved their dog deeply and I am in touch with them even 5 years later, they always remember his birthday.

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I also gave up on rescuing through the humane society here. They will never adopt to me while I have an intact male (who I do conformation with and will never be altered). They won't even adopt another male or a spayed female to me, I'm automatically rejected. How does that makes sense?

I hope you get those two girls, it sounds like they need you!

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