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I've also given up on rescues-at least for goldens. I think that because there are not many goldens in shelters, they sort of take advantage of that. I could get a pit bull easily from a shelter, but not a golden. The 2 main reasons shelters won't adopt to me is that I don't have a fenced yard (live on a quiet country road with next to no traffic-we maybe get like 5-6 cars driving by every day and they are mostly just the other people who live on the road!) and I have a toddler-most won't adopt goldens to families with children under age 6. (Yet I could go get a pit bull and adopt that no matter what my child's age and with no formal temperament testing on the pit bull. Bad experiences make me not trust pits, so I wouldn't adopt one, but I do notice how the breeds like pits that are extremely common in shelters are much easier to adopt.) I've literally seen shelters advertise goldens as being great with small children and then when you inquire about them, oh sorry we don't adopt to families with children under 6. ??? I totally get it that they want the dog to go to a good home where it will be taken care of, but they are regulating good homes right out the door! Anymore its getting so that adopting a child is easier than adopting a dog.

And as far as breeders having strict requirements, most of that is that they too want good homes for their puppies and that they feel a strong sense of responsibility toward every puppy they ever produce. But I can't help but to feel maybe a tiny part of that is because of the flack breeders (both responsible and irresponsible) take from rescue people. I do not have a very thick skin, so I think I would be easily upset if I were a breeder and being bashed by adopt don't shop people and it would make me be extra cautious so as not to get more bashing. That said, I think most people who work in rescue have never dealt with responsible breeders because responsible breeder's dogs simply do not wind up in shelters. So they lump all breeders into the same group because the ones they see are horrible so they assume all breeders are bad.

Anyway, yeah, I totally agree that though shelters may have good intentions, they are also enabling bad breeders to keep breeding because people get frustrated and give up on rescue and aren't patient enough or knowledgeable enough to go to the good breeders, so the bad breeders get their business.



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I would be going back to the shelter as often as possible, and calling the meantime to make sure they know who you are and that are seriously interested in the Goldens. Don't give up on the dogs.
Thanks for the suggestion. I actually called today and was told that one of the goldens has been spoken for, which frankly made me a little nuts. (In my defense, it was first thing in the morning, and I hadn't had any coffee yet. Note to self: never do anything without being fully caffeinated.) I recalled to the woman on the phone (warning to all: her name is Shelby) what I was told yesterday, and as it turns out she's the same person who told me I couldn't meet the dogs yet. I said that I was planning to take both dogs since they've been together their entire lives. And she said to me, "Well, we're trying to keep them together." Well how the hell are you going to do that if you're separating them? Then she said that she would put me through to her supervisor because she didn't like how I was talking to her. So I asked her how she would talk to someone who gave her the kind of runaround that she gave me? Without going into any further details, I'll just say the conversation didn't end well.

So I called back and left a message with her supervisor, who is the shelter director. I'd be surprised if I ever hear from him. And, fyi, the shelter is the Columbia-Greene Humane Society in Hudson, NY. I want to add that of those I spoke with at the shelter, this Shelby person was the only nasty one.
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I'm sorry about your experiences. I hear you it is VERY frustrating! I have a Golden rescue right now. I was passed over for quite a while because 1. They required you to have a larger confident dog in the home as a companion to the Rescue. 2. They wouldn't allow children under 10 in the home. Well I have a Beagle and grandkids that are here often. I later learned there were valid reasons why. They do get a lot of Breeder dogs that mainly were just that and didn't know how to be dogs. They don't get puppies very often and when they do it's up to the foster to decide who is the best match for the puppy. There was a litter of 10 puppies and I applied for one. I got passed over. I later learned by the foster that I ended up working with that those puppies all went to young families because the foster was a younger person. lol I was too old I guess. The current foster went with me because she was in her 50's and read my file and knew I would how much I wanted a Golden. The whole process of being approved though was seriously like adopting a child. We had to speak to many people and pass each step and have a 2 hour home visit getting our home checked out. I get it they want the dogs to go to good places, but it was frustrating. Your shelter place sounds a bit unfair. I really hope you can get those 2 Goldens, and if not you do find one or two you can adopt.
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I've literally seen shelters advertise goldens as being great with small children and then when you inquire about them, oh sorry we don't adopt to families with children under 6. ??? I totally get it that they want the dog to go to a good home where it will be taken care of, but they are regulating good homes right out the door! Anymore its getting so that adopting a child is easier than adopting a dog.
I laughed when I read this part - so true.

That said, I get why both breeders and rescues set those parameters. You hear or read about some families where they already have their hands full with the little kids and fast forward a few weeks or a couple months, the moms are DONE with having a dog. More so when there's stuff going on with the kids.

With people adopting adult dogs into families with a lot of kids - would wager that there is that much bigger concern over an adult dog snapping at kids crawling all over him. Puppies don't usually snap - or if they do, their jaws are not strong enough to do too much damage.

*Can I just say that I have been very grateful that different rescues turned us down? For one reason or the next it directed my path in a different way and it was for the best.

Back in the late 2000's, I had lost one old dog and was down to just one old dog. We had been turned down by multiple rescues because that other old dog (12 year old male golden) was intact. They basically told me I would have to neuter him in order to submit another application that would actually be considered. <= This to adopt a mixed breed that was neutered.

We ended up adopting a purebred rough collie from a breed rescue. This was Arth who raised the next two golden pups I brought home.

After I lost my 12 year old golden - I went back out thinking I could just adopted a golden. I knew I wanted a golden to help raise Jacks and I wanted to always have 2 goldens. We were turned down because of lack of fencing, we didn't even get around to discussing Jacks being intact.

If I had adopted a dog back then, I would never have bought Bertie when the time came. I would have missed all of the sweetness that is Bertie. As well, I would not have experienced many of the joys of having him and Jacks together for the past five+ years. Bertie was the very best companion for Jacks. More so, perhaps, than an adult dog with issues might have been. As well, losing Jacks in the past couple months - I would have been in a terrible place with another adult and back at the very beginning looking for a puppy and scrambling. That thankfully is not the case.

As well, Bertie besides being a big blessing for Jacks' sake.... he also invited me to very many people who I count on as dear friends today.

Things have a way of happening for a reason.

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I can certainly empathize with the frustration that some people experience when trying to adopt from a shelter. There are also some of us who have had the opposite experience when adopting. When I rescued Oscar I went through a clearly defined process with specific criteria. I knew the parameters up front. I was treated fairly and with flexibility. I have come to know the people who run the shelter as selflessly dedicated to do what they feel is best for their Goldens. I may have at times questioned their philosophy but I have never once questioned their complete devotion to the animals in their care. I am concerned that we not lump all shelters into a category and dissuade people from using them as an option. They take dogs in, often rehabilitate them, spend significantly on medical care, and then place them with a loving family. That is good work; work that many of us do not have the time, resources, devotion, and passion to do. Had they not taken Oscar off the streets of Istanbul, worked on his behaviors, nursed him to health, and maintained him in the shelter for six months while they tried to place him, we would not be experiencing the unconditional love, companionship, and joy that he brings into our lives every day.
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It’s definately important to judge each shelter on its own merit. Many take in dogs that would otherwise be euthanized. Others are pure scans. I was shocked to learn about “puppy flipping”. So called rescue groups sweep through local animal shelters clearing out the puppies, the young healthy dogs and the cutest ones. All the ones most easily adopted. And they leave behind the old, the disabled and the pit bulls. They pay their $100 for a healthy, vaccinated, neutered/spayed young dog and immediately post its picture on its rescue site for $300. “Flipping” only 5 dogs a month is a $1,000 profit. And if they have gotten themselves non profit status, it’s tax free to boot. This is why there are so few young healthy dogs in local animal shelters. Shelters tolerate this because it does make room for them to take in more dogs. But they also hate that people can’t get these dogs more cheaply and easily from them and have to search online through rescue sites to pay three times as much. By no means are all rescue groups like this, but it’s sonething to be aware of because there are many of them out there.
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It’s definately important to judge each shelter on its own merit. Many take in dogs that would otherwise be euthanized. Others are pure scans. I was shocked to learn about “puppy flipping”. So called rescue groups sweep through local animal shelters clearing out the puppies, the young healthy dogs and the cutest ones. All the ones most easily adopted. And they leave behind the old, the disabled and the pit bulls. They pay their $100 for a healthy, vaccinated, neutered/spayed young dog and immediately post its picture on its rescue site for $300. “Flipping” only 5 dogs a month is a $1,000 profit. And if they have gotten themselves non profit status, it’s tax free to boot. This is why there are so few young healthy dogs in local animal shelters. Shelters tolerate this because it does make room for them to take in more dogs. But they also hate that people can’t get these dogs more cheaply and easily from them and have to search online through rescue sites to pay three times as much. By no means are all rescue groups like this, but it’s sonething to be aware of because there are many of them out there.

Rescues do this all the time in New England, while demonizing shelters for having to euth the dogs the rescues themselves deemed "not worth it." Really sad to see.
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Did you try any of the Golden Retriever Rescues? Some are easy going, and some are hard to deal with as they have no common sense. I have known good pet owners that get turned down.
Apply with some further away Golden Rescues and check for all pet and dog rescues as they do get in pure bred Goldens from time to time
AdoptAPet and PetFinder are good resources to search for Goldens in your area and further out.
I was turned down years ago by two Golden rescues as I rented a large home with a large fenced yard and swimming pool, sidewalks everywhere for walking, a big park nearby. But I did not own so I was turned down, even though I was a volunteer, that was not good enough for them.
I found an excellent breeder of amazing Goldens, with all health clearances and champion show titles that checked out, and she sold me a gorgeous, very intelligent Golden puppy, and it was an amazing life with this Golden and she has left a legacy, people still ask about her, A Golden I will never forget and to this day her legacy and name live on, helping many dogs that desperately need help with health. She was my first dog and first Golden, and she taught me a lot. I had a huge learning curve.
Search online Golden Retriever Rescue, City, State. to see what ones are in your area.
Check with Golden Retriever breeders in your area. They get Golden Retriever returns that need to be rehomed.
The Golden Breeders usually retire their Goldens from 4 - 6 years old, have them sterilized and look for a pet home.
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