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Giardia? Diarrhea help

I am at a loss with what to do to help my dogs. We have a 5 month old golden, Charlie who has been having intermittent diarrhea since not long after we got him. All fecals including Giardia test have been negative but we're assuming that based on symptoms. We've done 2 rounds of Panacur and Charlie has been on Metronizadole pretty much continuously recently. He's on a super low dose but as soon as we stop it the diarrhea is back. Now my other dog who has never had issues before we got Charlie is having liquid diarrhea as well.

What am I missing? I have washed all their stuff and treated multiple times. They both keep eating dirt but otherwise Charlie has done much better not eating everything in sight.

And anyone know a cheaper place to buy Fenbendazole?
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I've been there. Giardia can be a nightmare. I think we went through like five or six treatment cycles with Luna during her first year. Now she's a year and a half and has been diarrhea free for six months (knocking on every piece of wood in my house). It's so hard to get rid of especially when you're not really sure how the pup became infected / is getting reinfected. There's also the possibility that the Panacur and Metronidazole wasn't ordered for a long enough round so it did not kill all of the parasites.

Has your vet done an ELISA test for giardia? It's better able to detect the parasite so you're less likely to get a false negative. You can just call the vet office and ask them what kind of test the vet ordered and if it was an ELISA (pronounced e-lice-a),

Do his stools often have mucous in them (when he's not on Metronidazole)? Is his diarrhea generally worse at night? If so, I'd say yeah, that's giardia. If not, I may start to question if that's really the problem.

The only place I could reliably find Fenbendazole over-the-counter was Tractor Supply. It's really not much cheaper than just getting it from the vet though. And you need to have a food scale that can weigh grams so you can measure out the correct dose for his weight.

Recently my vet told me that Hills Science Diet is coming out w/ a new Probiotic food that can be fed long term (unlike their ID food which is not nutritionally complete and is meant to be fed for short durations). She said the data she saw was impressive - dogs with treatment resistant diarrhea not having diarrhea anymore. If Luna was still struggling w/ diarrhea, I'd be feeding it.

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My dogs also went through a period of diarrhea. My 1 year old, Bear, loves to chew on small branches that are on the ground. He also chews on mulched grass that has hardened. Heís been tested off and on and also been on Metronizadole a few times. My older 10 year golden, Lincoln, would also get diarrhea as soon as Bearís had ended. Iíve realized that Lincolnís diarrhea stems from a different issue. He has a tumor in the upper chamber of his heart so unfortunately, itís just part of the disease.

ďKnock on woodĒ Iíve gotten it under control. Iíve been supervising him when he goes out to make sure he doesnít pick up things from the ground. I think itís pretty much a puppy thing and he has gotten better. While he was going through the diarrhea, however, I fed him boiled chicken or ground beef, rice and Hills Prescription Diet W/D that I would get at the vet. I also sprinkled Purina Pro Plan, FortiFlora also available at the vet. I kept him on the bland diet for several days and once he had a few days of normal poop, I slowly re-introduced his regular food, Purina Pro Plan.

I would suggest you supervise the dogs when theyíre out so they do not eat dirt. Iím sure your vet has suggested a bland diet. I was going to ask if itís possible that your dog may be allergic to his food but you said both dogs have diarrhea. I think the root of it is them ingesting dirt. Good luck
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My Beagle had it when she was a pup. You have to be really diligent with picking up after they go potty in the yard and keeping everything clean. As far as eating dirt. Have you taught the leave it command? My Golden likes to eat sticks off the ground and picks up rocks and will toss them and play with them. She also has started trying to eat the acorns that are falling off of my neighbors tree into my yard. She is obviously going to get things in the yard but when I see her I will say leave it and point to the ground and she will drop it all allow me to pick it up. It has taken a bit of work but oh boy it is worth it. I would suggest maybe have a long line attached to you while in the yard so you have better control. Is there a certain area where he is eating the dirt? You could try spraying that with vinegar or bitter apple as a deterrent. Good luck!
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Charlie's diarrhea does have mucus and is definitely worse at night. My other dog gets a weird light yellowish color when she gets it.

I am always outside with him and am working on leave it though somewhat unsuccessfully. For the most part he is carrying mud around the yard and will drop it for me before eating it but I'm sure he injests some. And the other dog is 7 and hasn't done stuff like that for years but she has now decided trying to eat dirt is fun too.

Can they even get Giardia from dirt? Charlie was terrible about eating poop when he was smaller but we clean it up immediately and as long as he's closely supervised, which he always is, he hasn't eaten it in a while. So he isn't getting it that way.

I will ask the vet what test they used but it was a more expensive test specifically for Giardia not just a regular fecal. But we only did that once, I wish I would have taken a sample of the other dog's in when she was having diarrhea. She has never had issues until we got Charlie which makes me think something contagious.
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Charlie's diarrhea does have mucus and is definitely worse at night. My other dog gets a weird light yellowish color when she gets it.

I am always outside with him and am working on leave it though somewhat unsuccessfully. For the most part he is carrying mud around the yard and will drop it for me before eating it but I'm sure he injests some. And the other dog is 7 and hasn't done stuff like that for years but she has now decided trying to eat dirt is fun too.

Can they even get Giardia from dirt? Charlie was terrible about eating poop when he was smaller but we clean it up immediately and as long as he's closely supervised, which he always is, he hasn't eaten it in a while. So he isn't getting it that way.

I will ask the vet what test they used but it was a more expensive test specifically for Giardia not just a regular fecal. But we only did that once, I wish I would have taken a sample of the other dog's in when she was having diarrhea. She has never had issues until we got Charlie which makes me think something contagious.

When she put Charlie on the Panacur, did she tell you to clean his bum starting on the third day? They start to shed the eggs, and you have to wipe them (downwards only) after they poop so they don't get reinfected.

Has your vet tested for coccidia? It could be that, too. My pup kept coming up negative and we treated for giardia until we finally got a positive that indicated coccidia. We treated her successfully for that, and then she tested positive for giardia. Once we finally got both under control, as often happens, one of them flared up again several weeks later. It can be a long road to deal with. Once we were finished all the antibiotic treatments, I put her on a 30-day course of probiotics, and all the way through all of this, she was on prescription food, which helped a lot (she was on Purina EN, which is very bland and easy to digest, which helps calm their insides down after all the diarrhea inflammation).

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Iíve realized that Lincolnís diarrhea stems from a different issue.
Poor Lincoln! I'm glad to hear that he's still with you though! I hope he's doing ok overall.


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Charlie's diarrhea does have mucus and is definitely worse at night. My other dog gets a weird light yellowish color when she gets it.

I am always outside with him and am working on leave it though somewhat unsuccessfully. For the most part he is carrying mud around the yard and will drop it for me before eating it but I'm sure he injests some. And the other dog is 7 and hasn't done stuff like that for years but she has now decided trying to eat dirt is fun too.

Can they even get Giardia from dirt? Charlie was terrible about eating poop when he was smaller but we clean it up immediately and as long as he's closely supervised, which he always is, he hasn't eaten it in a while. So he isn't getting it that way.

I will ask the vet what test they used but it was a more expensive test specifically for Giardia not just a regular fecal. But we only did that once, I wish I would have taken a sample of the other dog's in when she was having diarrhea. She has never had issues until we got Charlie which makes me think something contagious.
Ok, so that sounds like giardia. Yeah, unfortunately, they can contract the parasite from dirt. An adult dog can also be infected and have no symptoms and another dog can become infected just by sniffing the infected dog's butt or their poop. It doesn't sound like that's what happened in this instance though because your older dog is now symptomatic indicating she either got it from the puppy or got it from the dirt while playing like the puppy does. If she had previously been an asymptomatic carrier, she wouldn't have suddenly become symptomatic just because the puppy did. So she wasn't infected before.

Does your puppy ever come into contact w/ other dogs or their poop? He wouldn't even need to eat the poop to get reinfected, just sniff it. Though it could just be the dirt. If that's the case then it's a matter of strictly controlling his playtime outside, treating him & the other dog whenever he does become infected and waiting till his immune system matures. If Luna was contracting it from the dirt in our yard (it could have been from other dogs at daycare), she doesn't appear to be anymore now that she's older. Though we do periodically test her stool just in case.

Btw, Fenbendazole needs to given for at least 5 days for giardia and Metronidazole is usually given for 10 days. Also, clean as Sweet Girl described and clean all of the dog's bedding and toys around day 3 of treatment.

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I have taken Charlie to a dog park and puppy class but it doesn't seem to have coincided with him getting sick and my other dog does not really like to go anywhere. I wish it were that because it would be a lot easier than making sure neither of them ever pick up a piece of dirt. There isn't a yard treatment is there? I have done 5 days of fenbendazole both times and 2 weeks of Metronizadole.

I have cleaned bowls, toys, etc on day 3 both times. I bathed Charlie but not both dogs so I could try that.

Now Charlie is vomiting and won't eat which is probably a whole new issue and they are both having liquid diarrhea. 😩
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I have taken Charlie to a dog park and puppy class but it doesn't seem to have coincided with him getting sick and my other dog does not really like to go anywhere. I wish it were that because it would be a lot easier than making sure neither of them ever pick up a piece of dirt. There isn't a yard treatment is there? I have done 5 days of fenbendazole both times and 2 weeks of Metronizadole.

I have cleaned bowls, toys, etc on day 3 both times. I bathed Charlie but not both dogs so I could try that.

Now Charlie is vomiting and won't eat which is probably a whole new issue and they are both having liquid diarrhea. 😩

Giardia can cause vomiting. I've never seen it but it can happen. I woud definitely take Charlie to the vet tomorrow and have a test done. If the infection is severe enough to cause vomiting (and I would imagine that much GI inflammation indicates a parasite in its active phase) so he should test positive w/ an ELISA test if giardia is the problem.

Btw, it can take quite awhile after infection for symptoms to appear so it is possible to have contracted it elsewhere. I think I looked into a soil treatment out of desperation when Luna was still getting sick but never actually tried anything. Here's an article w/ some suggestions if you decide to go that route. Honestly, though I think it's kind of a puppy thing and hopefully his immune system matures soon.

https://homeguides.sfgate.com/treat-...dia-39933.html

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