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Our first puppy: Tomo

Some of you may know from the senior/deaf dog training thread that our sweet 14 year old golden/lab mix passed away at the end of March due to GVD/bloat despite 2 surgeries. It was too quiet in the house and we really miss the companionship a dog provides (despite our 3 old cats and a chinchilla), so we contacted golden rescues and breeders that week.

And 2 weekends ago, we drove to Lake Tahoe and picked up Tomo! He was born 3/20/2019.

Overall he's doing great, it's only been 10 days but he's picked up commands pretty well and he's adjusted to being with us. He knows come here, sit, down, stand, and we're working on sit stays in the pen, leave it, and trades for ball throwing/treats. He'll potty to "go pee" if he has a full bladder and he's not too busy to respond. He's mostly good about sitting when he sees the cats around, but the chinchilla escape was too exciting.

Perhaps it's just the Tiger Mom in me, but there's a few areas of concern we're actively working on and I'd love some advice:

1. Potty training is rough (ruff). Crate training is going very very slowly, so he sleeps in the x pen that's connected to the crate. Potty outside ratio varies from 1.2:1 to 2:1 successes to accidents, so that's still pretty good. Sometimes he is too busy playing in the yard to want to pee, then as soon as he comes in, he pees in the pen.

We plan to keep doing more crate training and maybe it's time to bring out the bully stick... So far we've put kibble, kongs with pb/yogurt, Earth Animal no hide chews, and tons of toys in the crate, and he's fine eating in there, but he doesn't ever sleep or lay inside. Other than progressing with the crate, I think what we're doing is okay and it's just a matter of time.

2. He gets into bitey moods. We're working on mouthing slowly so he can learn bite inhibition (I think this was in the Ian Dunbar book I'm reading), but he's started to bite at clothing and pants to pull at them. Success rate with "leave it" is okay, but he'll let go, eat the treat, and then immediately latch back on to my pants. Taking myself out of the room works to a point, but he'll often just be playing with something when I return, so he's not really being punished per se... I found a squirt bottle but it only mists so that didn't bother him at all.

He'll get a bit calmer if I make him do commands (and he does really like to train), but what other method can I use to calm him? I'll look for another bottle that does jet spray and fill it with vinegar water... And tonight we're going to a puppy social so hopefully playing with other puppies can help teach him that this playing is not acceptable??

3. This is more of a yard question... He's had 4 baths already because it's been raining and the wood chips are getting old, so he either gets muddy or dusty when we go in the backyard. I'm thinking about more wood chips (albeit temporary solution because he likes to munch on them), plant some groundcover plants or lawn alternatives (eg, clover), and add some large tiles or flagstones? Is there something I can put down to protect the plants while it's growing and still be okay to walk on?

4. Our house is pretty quiet, so we started going out for socialization opportunities this weekend. We went to the farmers market and to the mall, and we are starting puppy kindergarten this weekend. He's actually more nervous about the car ride than meeting new people, so I'm planning to do more short excursions around the neighborhood. He's fine when the car is not moving (it's a Prius so it stands still) but gets a bit anxious during stop and go. Should I just keep talking to him and feed him treats continuously while we're in the car?

I know that the puppy class will cover some of the same house training/manners questions I have, but I just really want him to start off doing things right and not have my lack of training be the reason why he's not living a great puppy life.
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And photos, because what is even a puppy thread without photos
He grows so fast and has already gotten much bigger these past 10 days! He’s learned new things everyday, and has learned to climb the stairs in the yard, although we’re still carrying him up and down 95% of the time.
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Some of you may know from the senior/deaf dog training thread that our sweet 14 year old golden/lab mix passed away at the end of March due to GVD/bloat despite 2 surgeries. It was too quiet in the house and we really miss the companionship a dog provides (despite our 3 old cats and a chinchilla), so we contacted golden rescues and breeders that week.

And 2 weekends ago, we drove to Lake Tahoe and picked up Tomo! He was born 3/20/2019.

Overall he's doing great, it's only been 10 days but he's picked up commands pretty well and he's adjusted to being with us. He knows come here, sit, down, stand, and we're working on sit stays in the pen, leave it, and trades for ball throwing/treats. He'll potty to "go pee" if he has a full bladder and he's not too busy to respond. He's mostly good about sitting when he sees the cats around, but the chinchilla escape was too exciting.

Perhaps it's just the Tiger Mom in me, but there's a few areas of concern we're actively working on and I'd love some advice:

1. Potty training is rough (ruff). Crate training is going very very slowly, so he sleeps in the x pen that's connected to the crate. Potty outside ratio varies from 1.2:1 to 2:1 successes to accidents, so that's still pretty good. Sometimes he is too busy playing in the yard to want to pee, then as soon as he comes in, he pees in the pen.

We plan to keep doing more crate training and maybe it's time to bring out the bully stick... So far we've put kibble, kongs with pb/yogurt, Earth Animal no hide chews, and tons of toys in the crate, and he's fine eating in there, but he doesn't ever sleep or lay inside. Other than progressing with the crate, I think what we're doing is okay and it's just a matter of time.

2. He gets into bitey moods. We're working on mouthing slowly so he can learn bite inhibition (I think this was in the Ian Dunbar book I'm reading), but he's started to bite at clothing and pants to pull at them. Success rate with "leave it" is okay, but he'll let go, eat the treat, and then immediately latch back on to my pants. Taking myself out of the room works to a point, but he'll often just be playing with something when I return, so he's not really being punished per se... I found a squirt bottle but it only mists so that didn't bother him at all.

He'll get a bit calmer if I make him do commands (and he does really like to train), but what other method can I use to calm him? I'll look for another bottle that does jet spray and fill it with vinegar water... And tonight we're going to a puppy social so hopefully playing with other puppies can help teach him that this playing is not acceptable??

3. This is more of a yard question... He's had 4 baths already because it's been raining and the wood chips are getting old, so he either gets muddy or dusty when we go in the backyard. I'm thinking about more wood chips (albeit temporary solution because he likes to munch on them), plant some groundcover plants or lawn alternatives (eg, clover), and add some large tiles or flagstones? Is there something I can put down to protect the plants while it's growing and still be okay to walk on?

4. Our house is pretty quiet, so we started going out for socialization opportunities this weekend. We went to the farmers market and to the mall, and we are starting puppy kindergarten this weekend. He's actually more nervous about the car ride than meeting new people, so I'm planning to do more short excursions around the neighborhood. He's fine when the car is not moving (it's a Prius so it stands still) but gets a bit anxious during stop and go. Should I just keep talking to him and feed him treats continuously while we're in the car?

I know that the puppy class will cover some of the same house training/manners questions I have, but I just really want him to start off doing things right and not have my lack of training be the reason why he's not living a great puppy life.


Omg he is so cute congrats!!!!

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Congratulations!! Tomo is adorable Enjoy!
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OMG..heís so cute. Congratulations! Nothing replaces the loss of a loved pet, but a puppy helps ease the pain.

1 - Iíve never used an X pen connected to a crate with any of my dogs. So, I can only speak to my experience: I used a crate just large enough for him to lay down. They usually donít mess where they sleep. I had a soft bed for him but no toys or food. I was worried that he may choke on something when I was not home and oh, before I forget, I took his collar off when he was in the crate as well.

2- They pee CONSTANTLY. You may have seen one of my posts. I thought Bear (whoís 10 months old now) had a urinary tract infection so I took a sample into the vet for testing; it was negative. Itís tedious but he will learn if you are persistent.

3 - I have no suggestions as to gardening, but you should put cotton balls in his ears when you bathe him. They can easily get ear infections if theyíre ears arenít dried well. (You probably know this already but thought Iíd mention it just in case)

4 - Biting is rough when theyíre teething especially. Just keep giving him a toy to chew instead of your hands, clothes etc. he will outgrow it. I think having an older dog, Lincoln whoís 10 yrs old, helped us as Bear played with him and when he nipped too much, Lincoln corrected him with a growl and Bear got the message and just backed off.

5 - Bearís not crazy about traveling in the car. When he was younger, it took a lot to get him in and even out. Heíd get car sick within 3 miles of our house (thankfully heís grown out of that). It has gotten better, however. I donít think you should give him treats. It may upset his stomach. Just talk to him as you drive. Iím sure eventually he will get used to it

Puppy classes will help immensely. Your puppy is very, very lucky to have you and is living a great puppy life! Please keep us updated.
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Thanks, guys! Good to know that we have the basic idea and are on the right track. I guess I’ll just have to be more patient and enjoy the ride more 😉 He’s already so sweet and eager to please, I’m sure continued training and time will do it.

Tonight we went to our first puppy social and he had a great time! He was pretty popular with the other puppies, being gentle with the smaller pups and trying his best to play with the more energetic pups (even if it seems like he was pinned a lot...). But his tail was up the entire time and he seemed to really enjoyed it.

I wonder if all that running around for an hour is too hard on his joints?? He does zoomies at home but it’s on bark in the yard, and is learning to climb up the garden steps already (though we try to carry him as much as possible).
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OMG..he’s so cute. Congratulations! Nothing replaces the loss of a loved pet, but a puppy helps ease the pain.

1 - I’ve never used an X pen connected to a crate with any of my dogs. So, I can only speak to my experience: I used a crate just large enough for him to lay down. They usually don’t mess where they sleep. I had a soft bed for him but no toys or food. I was worried that he may choke on something when I was not home and oh, before I forget, I took his collar off when he was in the crate as well.

2- They pee CONSTANTLY. You may have seen one of my posts. I thought Bear (who’s 10 months old now) had a urinary tract infection so I took a sample into the vet for testing; it was negative. It’s tedious but he will learn if you are persistent.

3 - I have no suggestions as to gardening, but you should put cotton balls in his ears when you bathe him. They can easily get ear infections if they’re ears aren’t dried well. (You probably know this already but thought I’d mention it just in case)

4 - Biting is rough when they’re teething especially. Just keep giving him a toy to chew instead of your hands, clothes etc. he will outgrow it. I think having an older dog, Lincoln who’s 10 yrs old, helped us as Bear played with him and when he nipped too much, Lincoln corrected him with a growl and Bear got the message and just backed off.

5 - Bear’s not crazy about traveling in the car. When he was younger, it took a lot to get him in and even out. He’d get car sick within 3 miles of our house (thankfully he’s grown out of that). It has gotten better, however. I don’t think you should give him treats. It may upset his stomach. Just talk to him as you drive. I’m sure eventually he will get used to it

Puppy classes will help immensely. Your puppy is very, very lucky to have you and is living a great puppy life! Please keep us updated.
Thank you for the helpful post!

Yes, we are working on the crate, but it's slow going. Today I broke out the bully stick and he was happily chewing away at it in the crate. I'll get some more high value chews at the store so he can spend more time laying about in the crate.

The peeing timing is half our fault with timing (eg, waiting longer than 30 min, waiting until he wakes up from a nap even though he's ready to pee immediately when he wakes up), and half because he's so playful when he's out in the yard. Many times we'll be out there 20-30 min, or even an hour, and he won't pee - and as soon as we come in the house, put him in the pen, and turn around to do something like get his kibble, then it's pee time... He's getting better about peeing on command if he's not preoccupied with playing, so I think if we eliminate our half of the mistakes it'll be fine.

Yes! I clean his ears with ear cleaner and gauze (haven't had a chance to pick up cotton balls yet) after baths. He's gotten one every 3 days because he gets so dirty!

So glad to hear that he'll grow out of biting. I'm sure it's a ton of fun to bite us and grab our clothes... We're working on leave it, trades with treats, and redirection with toys. He seems to be bitey-ier when we're out in the yard, probably because he gets more excited when he's playing outside and digging and eating all the plants. I remove myself from the yard for about half a minute, but when I go back he's off doing something fun instead of sulking and reflecting on his guilt, lol. I found a good water bottle for deterrence but the the video in the new thread about biting (How did y'all stop puppy-biting) makes me think that I should just stick it out a bit more and continue with loud ouches.

He's a bit better in the car today. I'm thinking tomorrow I'll put him in the car and just let him explore when it's parked, plus treats inside.

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I realized today that he's much more fussy and clingy with me compared to my husband or my roommate. I was entertaining him in the x pen today when my roommate came down to do the day shift (thankfully, she works from home and volunteered to do puppy duty! A saint), and as soon as she sat down on the sofa with her computer, Tomo settled down and was ready to nap... My husband is actually able to play computer games while Tomo is napping or lying quietly...

With me he's often awake for 3+ hours at a time. Not sure what exactly I do that riles him up?? I do a lot of short training sessions with treats, playing with the stuffies, rub his belly and do touch desensitization, show him how to knock the kongs around so he can get his kibble out, etc. Maybe I'm just more hands on and touch him too much, so he feels like time with me is always play time? When I'm sitting down or moving from room to room, he fusses and pushes against the pen. If I ignore him, half the time I come back to pee on the floor. Not sure if this is just timing or what. Although, I tend to get the 6am-9am and 5pm-8pm shifts, I read that dogs are crepuscular, is this why?

As much as I love our current relationship and our training, I would like to have him lie quietly so I'm able to be in another area of the house for other chores, showers, etc without having to get someone else to watch him. Right now, if I'm the only one watching him, I'll have to keep him preoccupied with a frozen pb kong or similar, or sneak off when he's napping.

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