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Puppy w/ diarrhea

Our almost 14 week old puppy Charlie has been having episodes of terrible diarrhea. He'll be fine all week then randomly have a day where he is having total liquid diarrhea all over himself, in his cage, waking up and pacing all night, etc. We've been to the vet 3 times now, metronizadole and I/D food seem to fix it then it comes back when we finish the metronizadole or try to introduce other food. But even then it's not all the time so I don't know.

Anyway, I am not a giant fan of I/D or Hills food but am thinking we should stop trying his current food (Blue Buffalo Large Breed Puppy) though he did fine with it until recently. I know a lot of people feed Pro Plan Large Breed, I don't love the by products but I'm open to anything. Or any other good suggestions?

Fecal tests are all clear. He was literally just at the vet today and actually hadn't been having diarrhea and now he's pooped everywhere multiple times since we've been home.
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Giarda causes intermittent diarrhea just like you're describing and it's very hard to kill. Tests can be negative even when the parasite is still in your pups system. It can't be detected unless the parasite happens to be at a certain stage of its life cycle when the stool sample is taken.

Metronidazole alone is not enough to treat giardia. It'll cause symptom relief very fast because one of it's convenient side effects is acting like an anti-inflammatory in the gut. But it's not strong enough to kill giardia in all of it's life phases. I treat giardia with Metronidazole twice daily for 7-10 days AND Fenbendazole (prescription version is called Panacur) once daily for 7 days. Three days of Panacur is not enough to kill giardia. Call your vet and tell them your pup is still having diarrhea and you want Metronidazole and Panacur for at least 7 days. The dosage of Panacur will be based on your pup's weight. Also, wash everything on day 3 of treatment. Bedding, dishes, toys.
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There are several threads on the Forum if you do a search about pups and some adult dogs that had problems with eating Blue Buffalo food.

Several years ago, one of the Vets at my clinic attended a nutrition seminar held at the Vet School in my State. BB was one of the main topics, she told me BB has so many ingredients in it that it is usually too rich for most puppies and young adult dogs and dogs will have upset stomachs, diarrhea, or soft stools. She did not recommend it to any Clients in the Clinic.
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We did specifically test for Giardia but yes that was our next step is treating for it anyway. And I am going to switch foods even if that wasn't the issue because I am not willing to risk it and done cleaning up poop. Any foods you do recommend?
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We did specifically test for Giardia but yes that was our next step is treating for it anyway. And I am going to switch foods even if that wasn't the issue because I am not willing to risk it and done cleaning up poop. Any foods you do recommend?
We use Hills Science Diet Large Breed and Luna's coat is beautiful. So healthy. A lot of people here use Purina Pro Plan. You can't go wrong with either. The number of choices in dog foods and reading all of the conflicting advice can make your head spin. The most important factors are that the manufacturer is a company big enough to do long term feeding studies for safety analysis and serious quality control measures. Small boutique dog food brands simply do not have the resources or longevity to do consistently reliable quality control or long term feeding trials. Purina Pro and Hills Science both employ veterinary nutritionists. Lastly, please do not feed a grain free diet. Grain free diets are associated with dilated cardiomyopathy in golden retrievers.
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We use Hills Science Diet Large Breed and Luna's coat is beautiful. So healthy. A lot of people here use Purina Pro Plan. You can't go wrong with either. The number of choices in dog foods and reading all of the conflicting advice can make your head spin. The most important factors are that the manufacturer is a company big enough to do long term feeding studies for safety analysis and serious quality control measures. Small boutique dog food brands simply do not have the resources or longevity to do consistently reliable quality control or long term feeding trials. Purina Pro and Hills Science both employ veterinary nutritionists. Lastly, please do not feed a grain free diet. Grain free diets are associated with dilated cardiomyopathy in golden retrievers.
I have to disagree.....Hills Science Diet has quite a few recalls in the last 3-4 months. The food is more grain based, then meat....and overpriced for the ingredients. The vets sell it, and push it... There is very little meat in this food. Your dog may look healthy now....but hopefully she gets no hot spots, and lipomas eating this grain based food . The ingredients are not great....Here are the ingredients for Hill's Science Diet Large Breed :Ingredients:
Chicken, Whole Grain Wheat, Cracked Pearled Barley, Whole Grain Sorghum, Whole Grain Corn, Corn Gluten Meal, Chicken Meal, Pork Fat, Chicken Liver Flavor, Dried Beet Pulp, Soybean Oil, Lactic Acid, Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Iodized Salt, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), Niacin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate,

Some of the Pro Plan foods are better with more meat...and less grains. I would feed neither food to my dog.
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I have to disagree.....Hills Science Diet has quite a few recalls in the last 3-4 months. The food is more grain based, then meat....and overpriced for the ingredients. The vets sell it, and push it... There is very little meat in this food. Your dog may look healthy now....but hopefully she gets no hot spots, and lipomas eating this grain based food . The ingredients are not great....Here are the ingredients for Hill's Science Diet Large Breed :Ingredients:
Chicken, Whole Grain Wheat, Cracked Pearled Barley, Whole Grain Sorghum, Whole Grain Corn, Corn Gluten Meal, Chicken Meal, Pork Fat, Chicken Liver Flavor, Dried Beet Pulp, Soybean Oil, Lactic Acid, Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Iodized Salt, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), Niacin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate,

Some of the Pro Plan foods are better with more meat...and less grains. I would feed neither food to my dog.
The recalls affected Hills canned dog food only and it was due to elevated levels of Vitamin D because of a vitamin premix that many dog food manufacturers were using and their foods were recalled too. The vast majority of dog food manufacturers including Purina Pro Plan and many others (and lots of human ones too) will have a recall from time to time.

Most veterinarian nutritionists agree that dogs do best with food from meat and other sources including grains when properly prepared. Dogs developed the ability to digest starch based foods a long time ago. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11837
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I have to agree with “eeerrrmmm1” on the food. As for the meds, I would probably add ProPlan Veterinary FortiFlora. It’s a probiotic that targets diarrhea in dogs. You need a script for it (most likely your vet has it). I gave it to my pup, Bear, when he had giardia. My vet also told me to wipe his bum every time he pooped. Whatever you decide on food, I’m sure your vet told you to do it very gradually and most likely after his bout of giardia since he’s probably on a bland diet now anyway. Hope Charlie gets well soon. Please keep us updated.
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We ended up starting Pancur, he hasn't actually tested positive for Giardia but decided it was worth treating just in case. My other dog hadn't been having symptoms but now she is too which makes me think Giardia for sure. Being that he did fine with the food before all this I'm torn on trying a new food or slowly introducing his same food again and hoping for the best. Meanwhile we'll need to treat my other dog too now.

I really dislike all the Hills/Science Diet brands. The foods may be fine but I've seen so many vets that push it because they get perks. Any other food recommendations?

We have been adding a small amount of pumpkin and a probiotic, it was clearing him up on previous bouts but now they are both still having formed but mushy poo.
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