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Unhappy Panicked about health in breeding line/spay date!

Our girl is 6 months and we've started the conversation about when to spay her. Our breeder recommended 18 months or at least after one heat cycle. Our vet is doing some research for us to give us his recommendation. He asked us if there was history in her breeding line, and now I'm freaking out because I found a lot! When we picked our breeder, she came recommended from the local GRC and does all the health testing, showing, etc. There's no doubt she's a responsible breeder, but we didn't look in depth at the line before settling on the litter and picking our girl.

In our girl's history, 2 dogs died of lymphoma (her great-grandmother and great-great-grandmother), and 3 died of hemangio (great-grandfather, great-great-grandmother, great-great-grandfather). Is our girl doomed? Did we screw up picking one from her litter? Or is this "typical" since goldens are prone to cancer? Here are the links to her mom and dad's pedigree: Pedigree: BISS AM CH GCH Pendery's Worth the Wait at Infinite CGC THDN MBISS BPSS MBOSS TDI and Pedigree: Brianne's It's Only Make Believe.

Given this, how long would you wait to spay? We were planning on doing it after one heat cycle, but now I'm panicked with the history of cancer and wondering if we should wait until 18 months.
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Look at longevity.

A quick glance at both pedigrees - looks fine to me.

Sadly if goldens don't die of anything else before old age, they will die of some kind of cancer. It's the young cancer (before age 10) which is more concerning - and even there you weigh that against the rest of the pedigree.

Regarding spaying/neutering - boys don't ever have to be neutered. And most of my dog related friends in "real life" leave their girls intact until middle age (6) at least. You are fine waiting a few months.

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I went back and forth about spaying. Spay early (before 12 months) and you get increased Lymphoma and potentially Mass Cell Tumors (mammary tumors is a frequent MST) and increased risk of knee ligament tears (Think ACL) and spay late data shows an increase risk of Hemangiosarcoma. No spay at all and all that is reduced to almost nill.


I've gone back and forth and thought of other procedures like Ovary-Sparring spay and came away with my vet as to not spay at all. Keeping her under wraps while she's in season isn't hard pyometra is the risk if you don't spay. It's not crazy common but must be mindful the first 4-6 weeks after a heat cycle. Talk to your vet about this as well. I'd also bring this up with your breeder too.

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I agree with Megora. This is a good breeder, and there are both long-lived dogs and dogs lost young to cancer in a way that represents a normal risk in our beloved breed. There are dogs in your pedigree who lived healthy lives too, and I hope your puppy does. As for spaying, you will feel best I suspect, just following what your breeder asked of you.

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I agree, this is a really good pedigree and lots of very long lived dogs. Try and relax and enjoy the current pup... no one can predict the future for any of us, man nor beast :-) So make your decision based on the dog you currently have and all the literature suggest waiting until goldens are closer to 2. Getting cancer at 12 is sadly just part of life with goldens (or any dog really), if it wasn't cancer it might be something else. If you are fortunate to have a senior in double digits it's a treasure and this bloodline has quite a few. FWIW panic is never a good foundation to base any decision on :-)

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I agree with Puddles everywhere. There is no real way of knowing and all that worrying does is keep you from truly enjoying your pup. My Bear has a retained testicle so weíve been told that thereís a risk of testicular cancer, however, I donít plan to have him neutered before his first birthday. We had our 10 yr old, Lincoln, neutered at 6 months (vet advised us to and I think that was the general thought years ago). However, Lincoln tends to drag his back legs slightly. His nails scratch the floor and you can hear him coming. It hasnít stopped him from running around or going up and down our stairs but I have often wondered if it would have been different if he was neutered after his first birthday.
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I wouldn’t worry. Take a breath and enjoy that baby! Would you honestly give up having 10-12 years with a dog knowing they could possibly develop cancer at that age? And it’s not a certainty they will. I lost mine at almost 11 and not one thing would I change had I known I’d only have her that long. I consider myself lucky to have had her for as long as I did. And that being said I have a puppy from one of the dogs you mention and that didn’t stop me from wanting her. The pedigree checked out and I was happy with it. Mine just went through her first heat and I’ve not decided what I’m doing re: traditional spay/when & OSS. I’ll see my breeder in a month and want to talk to her about it again.
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I wouldnít worry. Take a breath and enjoy that baby! Would you honestly give up having 10-12 years with a dog knowing they could possibly develop cancer at that age? And itís not a certainty they will. I lost mine at almost 11 and not one thing would I change had I known Iíd only have her that long. I consider myself lucky to have had her for as long as I did. And that being said I have a puppy from one of the dogs you mention and that didnít stop me from wanting her. The pedigree checked out and I was happy with it. Mine just went through her first heat and Iíve not decided what Iím doing re: traditional spay/when & OSS. Iíll see my breeder in a month and want to talk to her about it again.
Just a little info in the ovary sparring spay is that everything is the same other then they can't get pregnant. Still have a heat cycle and the risk for pyometra is still there as it leaves a uterin stump which can still lead to pyometra. So if they get pyo, you'd likely have to do a second true spay. That's why my vet thought it would be better to leave intact and I agreed

So make sure to discuss all the pros and cons with your vet

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You can not take the cancer out of a Golden unfortuantly. You want to look to see if there was any super young ones who died of cancer. At least 65% of Golden will die of cancer. You just hope it is in old age.

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I guess I am a little partial but I have met both of these breeders and think the world of them. Neither of them would make any decisions lightly. They love their dogs and truly love the breed. Just my opinion but I think it is important to have an on going relationship with your breeder. I think you should contact her and talk to her about your concerns. She knows her dogs and knows their history. Trust her.



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