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My daughter is a vet who is also a Golden breeder- she is very cognizant on all Golden specific issues, more so than your general practitioner would be unless s/he is also a Golden breeder... anyway- she does not find the OSS a reasonably safe method of preventing pregnancy, and it might even be more likely to endanger a pet person's bitch (assuming likely to pyo in the first place) more than leaving intact because an intact bitch comes w the awareness of pyo where a OSS bitch might have a casual 'she's ok because she's spayed' mindset associated. I personally have never seen any studies suggesting keeping the ovaries longer than one heat is an important piece for health- and in fact, those same hormones (which are wonderful to get the benefits at puberty from so the long bones stop growing, etc) might just engender a higher risk for some cancers.
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There are no studies that show leaving females intact leads to mammary tumors like some have stated either, only speculation. In fact, some of the info shows leaving them intact really reduces cancers in females such as Hemangiosarcoma and Mass Cell. Spaying late really seems to increase this cancers. Intact and spaying early has no difference in rate of Lymphosarcoma. No these aren't a study but rather statistical analysis suggesting a full blown study should be done but shouldn't be ignored either. I linking 1 site but there are others links suggesting this as well.


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There are no studies that show leaving females intact leads to mammary tumors like some have stated either, only speculation. In fact, some of the info shows leaving them intact really reduces cancers in females such as Hemangiosarcoma and Mass Cell. Spaying late really seems to increase this cancers. Intact and spaying early has no difference in rate of Lymphosarcoma. No these aren't a study but rather statistical analysis suggesting a full blown study should be done but shouldn't be ignored either. I linking 1 site but there are others links suggesting this as well.


https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0055937
Am I reading the chart for males correctly thinking it shows less lymphosarcoma (LSA) and hemangiosarcoma (HSA) for late neutered males than intact and more and mast cell tumor (MCT) for late neutered than intact?


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Am I reading the chart for males correctly thinking it shows less lymphosarcoma (LSA) and hemangiosarcoma (HSA) for late neutered males than intact and more and mast cell tumor (MCT) for late neutered than intact?
Yes that is true but I was talking about spaying females. For males, it seems to be pick you poison.

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Just wanted to add that you should keep your girl at a healthy weight. Fat goldens have a higher risk for cancer.
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My breeder recommends spaying after two heat cycles, which I am going to follow. Years ago when I stupidly trusted my vet, it was recommended to have females spayed before the first cycle. A protocol that a lot of vets still follow. I felt my dog was too young but I caved in to my vet and had her spayed at five months. One of the issues associated with early spaying is bone cancer. My beautiful Sadie died of bone cancer at nine. I still feel guilty to this day. Goldens are so cancer prone that you have no idea when it will pop up. Just enjoy your dog. Goldens are the best!
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We spayed our dog at I think nearly 2 years old. I'm not sure if I regret that decision or now, because she just turned 4 and has been diagnosed with lymphoma. I'm still hoping they are fat deposits but with 5 lumps and a lethargic dog, the news we are going to get this week on the biopsies are most likely between bad, and very bad. Yes, I am wondering if that decision led to this disastrous outcome and I feel guilty, but it's a senseless exercise in making myself even more miserable than I already am. At the time, our vet presented her health issue and said it was necessary (she had some ovary problems). I would never had done it, if it wasn't for that advice.

It's in the gene, that much is sure. And if the breeding line has a mix of early and late cancer, you can't really tell if your GR is going to be dealt the unlucky gene card and get cancer early (under 6 years old). I read somewhere that spaying "ages" the female dog, and that is possibly why there are higher possibilities of them getting cancer because the body thinks it's old. That's one of the hypotheses from a study I came across while reading up on the golden retriever lifetime study. How logical that argument is -- I don't know. Nobody really knows why this breed is so prone to it. On the other hand, I've been a dog owner of other breeds, and cancer is just as prevalent a reason for their demise as old age is. So, I think whenever you decide to spay your dog doesn't really make much difference as the body reacts the same and will react the same whether you do it this year or next. However, knowing that your dog's breeding line shows susceptability to lymphoma, you may want to adjust your dog's diet (low carb/fresh meals) and give her supplements. And, every year, ask your vet to do a very thorough check for lumps and to teach you how to check yourself.
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I'm not sure how the lack of ovaries would make the body think it is old.. dogs cycle their life long, do not go through menopause.
But it is an interesting theory.
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