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Odd to say this but either he's just guarding you just because... Or.. Take a pregnancy test or see a doc.. Dogs know more than you'd think
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Odd to say this but either he's just guarding you just because... Or.. Take a pregnancy test or see a doc.. Dogs know more than you'd think
He has now started being aggressive with me as well. Really strange 😕

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I don't know what this is, but it's definitely not that he's guarding you. Does he have something with him at the times that he is behaving this way? Is he on HIS bed? Is there anything that he may be trying to keep you both away from, or is he afraid your going to do something he doesn't like? I don't mean a punishment, but maybe confine him to an area or something? It's very unusual behavior for a typical Golden.

I would start with a trip to the vet for a thorough check up, including a full blood panel. I would also see how he reacts at the vet. I'm just really wondering if it's medical. The way you describe it sounds like he could be maybe having a seizure. I'm no expert but I would definitely start at the vet.

If it is typical resource guarding everything in the posts above should help, but I'm just not sure that's it.

I have an 8 year old male that will actually "guard" me, if you want to call it that. He's absolutely never bitten, or snapped at anyone. People do clearly know that he means business though. He positions himself directly in front of me and gives a very deep bark followed by a snarl. He absolutely only does this when something isn't right. We live on a farm and have a business at our home. He is great with everyone, but occasionally we will have people come up at very inappropriate times. If it's dark out and I am alone walking him and someone comes up the driveway and gets out of their car he immediately drops to his butt directly in front of my feet and clearly warns them to stay put. I am in complete control of the situation however, and learned this very early on. I give him a clear HEAL command followed by SIT and he stays with me no matter what. If it's someone that I like I simply say give me a minute to put him in the house. If it's someone that shouldn't be here they normally ask if he bites and I say yes. It works like a charm to get them to go away. I have no idea if he would actually ever bite someone, but I think that if I totally overreacted, or was really stressed he may.

That being said my house is a very social place. He's grown up with two teenage boys and their friends coming in and out. I now have a grandson that loves to play with him. My friends and relatives come and go without any problems. He clearly only does this when he either reads that I think something is not quite right, or when he senses it himself. I've never figured out if it's a cue I give, but I think it may be. I didn't like one of my sons girlfriend's very much and neither did he so my husband thinks he's reading my emotions.
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Your second description of the dog's behaviour is very different from the description in your first post, and I agree with DblTrblGolden that, in your second description, it doesn't sound like resource guarding at all. The suggestion to take your dog to the vet right away for a full exam is a good one. The discharge you describe isn't normal at all. And the behaviour you describe - the dog going still, staring, growling and lifting his lips - is very concerning. A still, stiff dog is a dangerous dog.



I don't think this is a problem you can solve with advice from the Internet. There may be something physically wrong; the lethargy is a sign that all is not well physically. If this were my dog, he would be at the vet this morning for a full work-up. For the vet's safety, you should tell him/her about the stillness and growling before the exam, to avoid the possibility of a bite. If the vet doesn't find anything wrong, then you need help from a good behaviourist or trainer right away, someone who can come to your home, watch your interactions with the dog and help you to understand what's going on. In the meantime, be careful that you don't inadvertently condition the growling behaviour by continually triggering it and backing off. Try to avoid triggering it at all. The dog is giving you plenty of warning and, if he escalates to biting, the stillness suggests that it will be serious.


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I'm so sorry to hear that this is progressing. I urge you to have him seen as soon as possible by your vet and for potentially a neurological evaluation. Please contact the breeder immediately to let her know what is going on. Be sure to print up this thread as a log to discuss with your vet, also make note of any other unusual physical symptoms such as unsteadiness on his feet or seeming like he's having vision problems etc. Anything you can think of.

It is clear that he either has a behavioral issue called "owner directed aggression" or potentially a neurological problem with mini seizures that he can't control. When you mention him being in a 'trance' (not nursing on the stuffed animal, I know that is completely different - my first golden did that) it can be a sign of something physical rather than behavioral.

Please keep us posted and do not take chances with him when this happens, it is not worth risking a bite if he is having some kind of a seizure. If neurological problems are ruled out you need to consult a special vet who is trained in behavior to help you get through this. It is not something that internet help from us here can safely address. Getting some direction from this organization may be helpful, not sure what options you have where you live..... https://www.dacvb.org/search/custom.asp?id=4709


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Guys thank you so much. This is really worrying to me. I have definitely ruled it down to being an inconsistent thing, more like a mood swing thing, which leads me also to believe it is also a neurological/internal problem. There are moments that he is fine with us touching his head, but then randomly switch back to growling. It's not really a case of where - he does it anywhere - it seems more like the timing. My mother came to visit today and he was real happy, he was letting her and us and everyone pet his head and acting as normal. However, when he is not stimulated and falls into a deep sleep, he not only gets very lethargic but it seems he gets particularly sensitive, and then if we touch him he goes back to growling.

I'll note that one Ceegee, and avoid touching him at all near his head until we get him seen to. I don't want to create some reinforcement with the triggering.

Yes the stillness is very very unsettling, even more so than if he was snarling.

I really am worried about these mini seizures. The way he's been sleeping lately it makes me feel like he is 'under' something. Like something is suppressing him or making him tired and dull. Before he would sleep but as soon as he saw me, his tail would be whipping on the floor from happiness. He seemed more 'alive' and 'alert', but past few days he's been like very aloof, indifferent, almost depressed.

We have the vet this Friday but I am guessing we need to take him sooner than that?

And yes the difference from the first post to my latest post has been jarring. It's a very confusing situation for all of us at the moment. In another thread, someone indicated it could be a thyroid thing. Either way yes I agree I think this needs Vet attention. I will keep you guys posted. Thanks all for the concern

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I would definitely try to get to the vet tomorrow and I would not have the neuter surgery before they figure out what is going on with him physically.


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1) You are the most wonderful pack leader ever and he loves you
2) He is second in charge and nobody else can compete for your attention

This is probably an easy fix. If he pulls any of these stunts, you need to sharply yell at him (NO! WHAT ARE YOU DOING), immediately grab him and shove him in the nearest empty room, closet, bathroom, whatever. Leave him there for at least ten minutes. Act surprised, aghast, insulted, outraged. Be dramatic. This is telling him that his pushy, self righteous behavior gets him nothing but trouble and isolation.

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OK Yikes I posted before reading all the posts

First off I know in horses it is a well known thing that males with retained testicles can be aggressive and gelding fixes it. So I would definitely neuter.

Having said that, these behaviors DO sound neurologic and not normal at all. I would be talking to the breeder you got him from. This may not be the first time they've heard of this.

None of this behavior is normal for a male golden regardless of their age or sexual status.

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Just stopping in to wish you luck in finding out what's wrong with your guy...... thinking of you both today....hopefully you can move the vet visit up to tomorrow....

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