Originally Posted by puddles everywhere View Post
"I think every breed is different and there is no book or person that can tell you what is best. Goldens are naturally good dogs in my opinion. The only problem they have is that they are a little TOO social when it comes to people and it's hard to restrain them. That is the one thing I want to work on with my newest puppy, but I'm not sure it's possible."
I think you are missing what people are trying to tell you. It is possible but you need to take a different approach. It's not about "restraining" it's about helping your puppy learn to make a more acceptable choice. There are many methods of training and certain approaches work better on some breeds than others. There are quite a few trainers on this site offering advice because of their years of experience with this breed. They are trying to help you see alternate training methods.
Because goldens are so soft in temperament they respond better to creative training methods. They need to use their minds... they are problem solvers. Restraining or controlled methods work great for dobermans or german shepherds but strong, alpha training on a golden can take a bold personality puppy and turn it into a very submissive dog.
Listen or not, it's your choice and your puppy but I got the feeling you came to this site to avoid having another submissive golden. All the suggestions are meant to help you achieve this goal.
I'm not sure why you got that feeling but that was not why or how I came to this forum. I came about it quite by accident. I was googling the breeder I was going to use because her website was outdated and I was desperate to see some pics of puppies she had recently. This site popped up and I read all the posts in a thread about her and how awful she is. I posted to defend her because we had such a great dog from her that we had just lost. As it turned out, I found out on my own that she is in fact NUTS!!! I lost my deposit and went with someone else ... and I admitted to all on the forum that I had to eat my words.
Our last dog was submissive but I never complained here about that. I just mentioned it because he had a completely different personality than the one we have now who just turned 13 weeks. He was the Alpha dog in his litter according to the breeder (and yes I do believe there is such a thing). She said he was the largest in the litter and he knew it. This is a breeder that believes in only positive training, BTW.
In my post that you just quoted I was merely stating that I think I'm doing just fine with the training I am doing on my own. I don't need a book, or a blog, or the latest theory. It's nice to talk to others who are going through the puppy phase, but there is way too much information out there and too many theories.
I believe that you can train a puppy in a positive, loving way and still let them know that you are in charge. When people say "are you walking that dog or is he walking you" that means he's in charge. Proper leash training means showing him that you are in charge and he must walk at your pace, etc. If that is now obsolete, I think I'll just work on it anyway.
At our first puppy class a few days ago, the trainer said we should never feed him out of a dish and instead give him toys that have his food in them so he has to work at it all day to get the food out. There is a perfect example of an apparently new theory that I will choose to ignore. It makes absolutely no sense to me. I like a schedule and so does the dog. Eat breakfast, go out and poop. Eat dinner, go out and poop. Repeat every day. My dogs have always known exactly when it was 5pm.
If I was hitting my dog with a rolled up newspaper or "rubbing his nose in it" if he had an accident I could see why I would need someone to set me straight. (Those are things that were common when I was a kid.) Every time I get a new puppy I do lots of reading, etc., but what usually ends up happening is that I go with my gut and use common sense. Every dog ... every owner ... every situation is different. I will definitely admit I need help with some things I was never able to conquer ... mostly leash walking and behavior when someone comes to the door. But if anything the problem I have had with that is that I never really tried. It was easier to put him in another room when someone came to the door, and I never needed to have him on a leash in the past. Now I live in an area where this dog will be walked on a leash so this is something new I will have to work on.