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And this is an older thread, though the breeder probably brought it to an even higher google rating by posting on an old thread. I too thought of taurine...
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Puppies are not fully grown until they are 2 years old and OFA does not do X-ray ratings until they are fully groan, the owner of Sampson was like I said trying to get a full refund as soon as she took Sampson home but insisted she was going to keep him too. Her dog was not diagnosed with hip dysphasia, when she went to court she told the judge her dog COULD have Hip dysphasia in the future and she had nothing to stand on so it was thrown out of court. As far as any other health issues I have not heard a thing about any health issues with her dog Sampson until it was posted on google this April 2017 & when my vet read it he said she needs to be better informed as to what she is trying to say came from genetics. Everything we feed our dogs directly effect their health, so many people don't understand the impact of their dog food, so this is why we tell people to keep their dogs on a well balanced diet, we also add in our contract that our dogs get fed Bil-Jac which is an amazing dog food. Understandably most new puppy owners do not know this so we do our best to inform them. We also recommend NuVet vitamins for all our puppies and we start them on them at 8 weeks & that gets our puppies ready for their new homes at 10 weeks old. We have not had any complaints or anyone informing us of any heart or other health problems & we have been Breeding for 15 years
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the owner of Sampson was like I said trying to get a full refund as soon as she took Sampson home but insisted she was going to keep him too. Her dog was not diagnosed with hip dysplasia, when she went to court she told the judge her dog COULD have Hip dysplasia in the future

My head is spinning at the audacity! All the more since she was seeking $6K in the lawsuit.

With my older dog who has hip dysplasia, I did have a guarantee. But it was as follows:

1. The dog had to have the hips/elbows checked with OFA. <= This included prelims since people get the hips checked at the time of neutering. They just wrote into the contract that vet opinion alone was not good enough. It had to be something officially from OFA. This also guaranteed that the hips would be set up properly (ofa positioning).

2. I had to provide vet information showing the weight of my dog and health history. Because written into the contract - I had to show I did not allow my dog to get obese nor was there an injury that possibly could have caused hip issues. Also, had to prove I did not neuter my dog early.

^^^ If I had the above, I was then entitled to get 1/2 the puppy price back on proof of neutering. The first 1/2 portion paid was nonrefundable.

^^^^ I wasn't interested in getting my money back nor did I wish to neuter him for health reasons (the breeder and I fully discussed this at the time I was given the contract).

But that's a typical guarantee. Other kind would require that the person return the dog in order to get their money back.

Only other thing I've heard as far as people getting their money back is if something catastrophic goes wrong very early with a puppy....

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My beloved veteran dog Tally is a Casanova grandson, and I had the great pleasure of watching Casanova show at Yankee Golden has a white faced old man. He lived a very long life, and was a dog I just loved with the friendliest temperament . My heart goes out to Sampson, and all goldens struggling with chronic health issues. The thing is, it is human nature to blame breeders , but so much of the time we simply do not know why some dogs( and humans) get sick or thrive. No breeder every wants anything sad or bad to befall the babies they raise with so much hope for their futures. I have made mistakes in selecting pups, and I have to take responsibility for failing in my on due diligence or simply accept that creating living things is perilous sometimes even when intentions are pure. Although I also live in Maine, I have never met Amy at shows or obedience/agility etc so I really don't have any knowledge of the program.

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Thank you. This is the puppy from Sampson's litter that the breeder kept. I think he has passed away.
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@Lovemydogs4ever2 (Amy): Please don't imply that Sampson didn't go to a loving home. That is ridiculous. He has been loved and very well taken care of since day 1. He has been fed high quality food and supplements needed for his hips and has had top-notch medical care. The cost of Sampson wasn't an issue. The health guarantee was, as it was unclear as to what was covered and what the recourse was in the case of illness or health issues. I showed it to several lawyers who agreed with me and who advised me to take legal action regarding his hips. I am not just a money-hungry person who had buyers remorse after purchasing a puppy. I was trying to do the best for Sampson who, in the opinion of my veterinarian and an orthopedic specialist at Tufts Veterinary Hospital, would need surgery to replace at least one hip. The vet at Tufts wanted to do the surgery at 1 year as Sampson was already showing arthritic changes on x-ray. This isn't something I just made up and it certainly isn't what I wanted for Sampson. And, for the record, the reason the law suit was thrown out was because my damages exceeded the amount that could be awarded in small claims court, not because you won any legal argument.

We continue to do our very best for Sampson and have spent about $4000 in diagnostics and medicine since December for his current illnesses and issues. His hips are bad enough that he drags his back feet when they get sore or tired enough. His pain is being managed medically. I lift and/or carry him when he needs some help and I bought him a special stroller so that he can still enjoy walks with us and can always be with us. So, whatever you say, PLEASE don't try to say I don't love him. You have no idea.

There are 2 sides to every story and people reading and responding to this thread can choose to believe whichever side they'd like, but only you and I know what really happened. My Google Review is honest and truthful. There is not one word in it that is untrue so, there is no slander or defamation there.

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@Megora (Kate): Sampson was always fed high quality food as suggested by our vet. His hip dysplasia was managed with supplements and has just started on pain meds now. He has been healthy (except his hips) until just after turning 9 and we still don't have a definitive diagnosis. We know he has hypothyroidism, some age-related liver disease and protein losing nephropathy, A recent re-test echo-cardiogram indicates that he has some thickening of his mitral valve, but his heart seems to be pumping ok. He has an overall weakness that they can't seem to diagnose, but he's holding his own for now. L-taurine supplements were suggested for his heart.
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My head is spinning at the audacity! All the more since she was seeking $6K in the lawsuit.

With my older dog who has hip dysplasia, I did have a guarantee. But it was as follows:

1. The dog had to have the hips/elbows checked with OFA. <= This included prelims since people get the hips checked at the time of neutering. They just wrote into the contract that vet opinion alone was not good enough. It had to be something officially from OFA. This also guaranteed that the hips would be set up properly (ofa positioning).

2. I had to provide vet information showing the weight of my dog and health history. Because written into the contract - I had to show I did not allow my dog to get obese nor was there an injury that possibly could have caused hip issues. Also, had to prove I did not neuter my dog early.

^^^ If I had the above, I was then entitled to get 1/2 the puppy price back on proof of neutering. The first 1/2 portion paid was nonrefundable.

^^^^ I wasn't interested in getting my money back nor did I wish to neuter him for health reasons (the breeder and I fully discussed this at the time I was given the contract).

But that's a typical guarantee. Other kind would require that the person return the dog in order to get their money back.

Only other thing I've heard as far as people getting their money back is if something catastrophic goes wrong very early with a puppy....
@Megora (Kate): Please don't categorize me as audacious. You don't know the whole story and are only choosing to believe half of it. Sampson WAS diagnosed with hip dysplassia at 9 months. The diagnosis came from my vet and OFA. OFA categorized his hips as MODERATE hip dysplasia. I had his x-rays done at the time of his neutering, as you suggest in your post. Also, as you suggest in your post, I only originally asked for half of the price of the puppy back when I got the diagnosis, just as you indicate was the recourse in your health contract. I had all of the documentation that you say was required in your contract to get half of the price of the puppy back. I only sued when I had two medical opinions that hip replacement surgery would be needed and I sued for the price of one surgery as advised by three lawyers. The law suit was dismissed without prejudice (meaning I could sue in superior court) because my damages exceeded the amount allowed in small claims court in the state of Maine. I am not the uncaring, money-hungry person that Amy is trying to portray me as. I was trying to do the best for Sampson, who I love very much. Try not to jump to conclusions based on one side of the story.
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I only sued when I had two medical opinions that hip replacement surgery would be needed and I sued for the price of one surgery as advised by three lawyers.
Here's the issue.

Hip dyplasia is genetic across the board. It's why every generation gets their hips (and elbows checked). It's in the breed.

And it is also caused or exasperated by environmental stuff + neutering early.

I removed the rest because it was something of an explosion of astonishment that anyone would sue a breeder to cover hip surgery for moderate hip dysplasia. There's need for common sense. Don't burn your bridges.

^^^^ And might add. I don't know the breeder. Have not gone out of my way to look them up or spend too much energy doing so. LOL. I did think twice about whether or not the breeder actually DID full clearances or not. Or if they were one of those that has it plastered all over their websites that their dogs are genetically free of X or Y stuff because they are special.

I do think that even if you did purchase a puppy whose parents do not have full clearances behind them, it was something you did at your own risk. I don't think you can or "should" sue unless you can prove the breeder was really deliberately breeding dogs who have catastrophic hips and were producing the same.


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@Lovemydogs4ever2 (Amy): Please don't imply that Sampson didn't go to a loving home. That is ridiculous. He has been loved and very well taken care of since day 1. He has been fed high quality food and supplements needed for his hips and has had top-notch medical care. The cost of Sampson wasn't an issue. The health guarantee was, as it was unclear as to what was covered and what the recourse was in the case of illness or health issues. I showed it to several lawyers who agreed with me and who advised me to take legal action regarding his hips. I am not just a money-hungry person who had buyers remorse after purchasing a puppy. I was trying to do the best for Sampson who, in the opinion of my veterinarian and an orthopedic specialist at Tufts Veterinary Hospital, would need surgery to replace at least one hip. The vet at Tufts wanted to do the surgery at 1 year as Sampson was already showing arthritic changes on x-ray. This isn't something I just made up and it certainly isn't what I wanted for Sampson. And, for the record, the reason the law suit was thrown out was because my damages exceeded the amount that could be awarded in small claims court, not because you won any legal argument.

We continue to do our very best for Sampson and have spent about $4000 in diagnostics and medicine since December for his current illnesses and issues. His hips are bad enough that he drags his back feet when they get sore or tired enough. His pain is being managed medically. I lift and/or carry him when he needs some help and I bought him a special stroller so that he can still enjoy walks with us and can always be with us. So, whatever you say, PLEASE don't try to say I don't love him. You have no idea.

There are 2 sides to every story and people reading and responding to this thread can choose to believe whichever side they'd like, but only you and I know what really happened. My Google Review is honest and truthful. There is not one word in it that is untrue so, there is no slander or defamation there.
I'm truly sorry if my opinion did hurt your feelings that is not my intention but it truly was my opinion. I just don't understand how you have so many health concerns with Sampson but instead of contacting me you posted the problems on google & in this forum? I guess I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish in hunting down his siblings, I spoke to my Vet when I saw your post on google about the health issues you posted & his opinion was you haven't been informed with information as to the health concerns instead of blaming his genetics. I am not a person who likes confrontation or he said she said so again if there were health concerns then you should have contacted me to address your concerns. I will not go back and fourth like this on these chats, but I wish you all the best with Sampson.
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