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Question about breeding and AKC Papers

We got our boys thinking we wouldn't want to breed them. And on our AKC Papers from the breeder they checked the limited-no breeding no showing box. But now we want to buy a girl and breed.
Can you change the no breeding once you get the paperwork from the breeder? I still need to enter it on the AKC website and pay.

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Should I call the breeder pay them the extra and hope they will change it?
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Well, you can call the breeder. A breeder can lift the limited registeration later if you meet her requirements (such as having your dogs' hips X rayed- lots of breeders lift it if the health clearances are done, or if the dog finishes its championship). I would call and ask. I am assuming you'd be doing clearances anyway? Your pups are adorable!
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If you purchased from a responsible breeder, there is probably a reason the Limited Registration box was checked. You can ask the breeder, but as ACC said, they may want to wait to lift the Limited-if they are willing to lift it at all- until the dogs have all clearances necessary-hips, elbows, hearts and eyes-and possibly have earned one or more titles.

As a breeder, if there is a dog I feel truly has potential for show/hunt tests/breeding, I keep it or place it with a friend. Pets are sold as non-breeding pets for a reason, often something minor enough that your typical pet owner is not going to notice but that as a breeder, I do not want to be responsible for perpetuating in the breed.

Also, truthfully, there is much more to responsible breeding than buying a bitch and breeding her to your own males. While serious breeders will do this sometimes, your very best breeders are always looking to improve and better what they have and chances of the best dog for your girl being one that you own, are slim. You have to have clearances on all involved as well as several generations of clearances on ancestors. You also need to know their pedigrees-what combinations have produced what issues/good things, in the past. This takes study and work. Every successful breeder I know had a mentor to help them through this process.

There are "pin money" breeders, who own the male and the bitch and just breed their own dogs to their own dogs over and over. They do meet a need, as long as they are doing all the clearances and keeping track of what they produce health wise. They are not however improving on what they have and moving forward to producing better dogs.

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I must say I have no problem with breeding non show dogs as long as everybody has a great temperament and has clearances- but IMO you should at a VERY minimum do basic clearances.
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Thank you all for your fast replys I do agree on making sure you better the line and to research! research !research!...this is another reason i'm checking into this and asking questions. The breeder asked me if i wanted to breed them I said no. She gave me the option of buying them for a higher price to breed them.
Now that I have them I realize how special they are and i want to share that with other owners. Everyone comments on them. I have had around 12 people asking me to please have puppies they really want one.
I grew up raising bunnies(every kind)-cats(Persians)-dogs(westie's) and doing 4H Went to english horse back riding classes So loving animals has always been a passion for me.
It was a great childhood i would love to share with my kids.
I agree about all the tests I would of course do them!!
Most of them you cannot do until age 2 correct so I have sometime...we won't be breeding anytime soon So I can learn alot before then.
I would love to find out more info on how i can do this right are there books??

Thank you for all your help.
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I am delighted to hear you have that experience and would like to do the tests. Two is the standard age for hips. I think eyes can be done at one year, and generally are done annually. I don't know about heart testing- in my main breed (Whippets) it is usually done several times in the dogs' lifetime.

It sounds as thought she would give you full registration on the dogs if you paid. Perhaps keep in touch routinely and if they pass their clearances, ask her about doing it then.

Do you have a pedigree for them? You can start to research their history on K9DATA.COM Home Page and stuff, too
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ACC is correct-hips and elbows are generally done together at age 2, eyes are done by a veterinary opthamologist at one year and annually thereafter; hearts are done by a veterinary cardiologist and can be done as early as age 1 although I usually wait until they are close to two, and it is only required once. However, since I usually have new dogs coming up who need their heart clearance I'll grab another dog or two and take them in for a recheck. Even though it is not required, I also periodically run thyroid tests on the dogs I am breeding. I do the expensive test, as it is the only one which really gets at autoimmune thyroiditis.

I also won't breed dogs with allergies or who are susceptible to hot spots, as these problems can worsen with each generation.

There are some excellent books out there:

Dog Breeding Advice, Whelping Puppies, Weaning Puppies

I especially like Muriel Lee's book for whelping and rearing puppies.

There is a group called Dog Mentor on yahoo that is very good, but be prepared for some very pointed questions-these are people who take breeding seriously and have some strong opinions! But they are extremely helpful, very informative and can be very supportive as well.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/dogmentor/join

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There are some very nice dogs behind your puppy's sire. Some on the bottom are backyard bred, but that is not always an instant reason not to breed. You can search the OFA database (Orthopedic Foundation for Animals) and see if any of them have clearances
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Tahnee Thank you for the info I will look into it!

ACC I know!
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