Food related question - Golden Retrievers : Golden Retriever Dog Forums
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-09-2019, 07:35 AM Thread Starter
Member
 
ksmith08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 98
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Thanks: 86
Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts
Food related question

Hi Friends,

So i've been feeding my boy twice a day (1.5 cup x 2 daily) Wellness complete health - https://www.wellnesspetfood.com/natu...th-lamb-barley

the thing is sometimes in the morning he is not eating properly. im not giving any other food/topper. just this kibbles. So i thought of getting this topper -

https://www.petloverscentre.com/prod...llergenic-150g
https://www.petloverscentre.com/prod...llergenic-150g

they have different flavors and i normally feed my toy poodle this and when i let my golden try a bit he seems to like it..

my question is, is this a good idea? mixing different flavored topper everyday?

Thanks
Kev
ksmith08 is offline  
post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-09-2019, 08:17 AM
Super Moderator Leader

 
CAROLINA MOM's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NC Coast
Posts: 44,314
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Quoted: 932 Post(s)
Thanks: 52,624
Thanked 43,419 Times in 22,250 Posts
What do you mean by "not eating properly", are you saying your pup is not eating his food or finishing the food you're giving him?

I am not a fan of adding toppers to entice a pup or dog to eat. I look at them as unnecessary calories.

How old is your pup? You said you are feeding 1.5 cups twice a day, it may be that your pup no longer needs that much food. You can reduce the amount to 1 cup twice a day.
CAROLINA MOM is offline  
post #3 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-09-2019, 09:40 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
ksmith08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 98
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Thanks: 86
Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by CAROLINA MOM View Post
What do you mean by "not eating properly", are you saying your pup is not eating his food or finishing the food you're giving him?

I am not a fan of adding toppers to entice a pup or dog to eat. I look at them as unnecessary calories.

How old is your pup? You said you are feeding 1.5 cups twice a day, it may be that your pup no longer needs that much food. You can reduce the amount to 1 cup twice a day.
Hi, meaning sometimes he is super lazy to finish up his food. he eats but not finishing it up. he is almost 2 years old. what if i give 1/3 of the wet food mixed?

I also agree that i think he no longer needs that much food.. thinking what to do....
ksmith08 is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to ksmith08 For This Useful Post:
CAROLINA MOM (09-09-2019)
post #4 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-09-2019, 09:56 PM
Super Moderator Leader

 
CAROLINA MOM's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NC Coast
Posts: 44,314
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Quoted: 932 Post(s)
Thanks: 52,624
Thanked 43,419 Times in 22,250 Posts
Thanks for clarifying......

I have always given my adults a total of two cups of food per day-1 cup at a.m. and 1 cup at p.m. feedings with no toppers or added any wet food.

I have always given fresh fruit or veggies that are in season as occasional treats.
CAROLINA MOM is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to CAROLINA MOM For This Useful Post:
ksmith08 (09-09-2019)
post #5 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-09-2019, 10:03 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
ksmith08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 98
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Thanks: 86
Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts
thank you for the reply. i'll try to reduce his morning portion
ksmith08 is offline  
post #6 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-10-2019, 12:35 AM
Don
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 158
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 20 Post(s)
Thanks: 60
Thanked 44 Times in 28 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by CAROLINA MOM View Post
Thanks for clarifying......

I have always given my adults a total of two cups of food per day-1 cup at a.m. and 1 cup at p.m. feedings with no toppers or added any wet food.

I have always given fresh fruit or veggies that are in season as occasional treats.
Would you feed more if the dog was very active ie. agility or field work? or is 2 cups a day adequate?
pot of gold is offline  
post #7 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-13-2019, 10:55 PM
New Member
 
goldwhiz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: NY
Posts: 19
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Images: 1
Thanks: 1
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
How much a dog needs depend on his size, activity level, whether intact. etc. Looking at him from above, does he have waist? do his ribs show? Do you know his wt.? What's the recommended range(cups) for his wt.? - on the bag. A lot of Goldens are over weight. If that's what's happened, you may have to change him to another, less calorie- dense food. You want to feed within the recomended amt.s range. And not a small-dog food.

You realize, I hope, that the Wellness brand, like all the other boutique dog foods, is not manufactured & tested according to the WSAVA guidelines, & this one's linked to DCM (9 cases in the FB group devoted to this disease.) Why trust any diet, GF or not, that's not been subject to proper feeding trials? In the blogasphere, Purina is often bad mouthed, but that's definitely not the consensus view of board-certified nutritionists & cardiologists. (Understatement of the year.)

Despite its huge marketshare, Purina has zero cases of dx'd DCM. Wellness is a much much smaller co. Luck of the draw when/if/how many of its cases come to light. .

Last edited by goldwhiz; 09-13-2019 at 11:11 PM.
goldwhiz is offline  
post #8 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-15-2019, 12:47 AM Thread Starter
Member
 
ksmith08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 98
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Thanks: 86
Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by goldwhiz View Post
How much a dog needs depend on his size, activity level, whether intact. etc. Looking at him from above, does he have waist? do his ribs show? Do you know his wt.? What's the recommended range(cups) for his wt.? - on the bag. A lot of Goldens are over weight. If that's what's happened, you may have to change him to another, less calorie- dense food. You want to feed within the recomended amt.s range. And not a small-dog food.

You realize, I hope, that the Wellness brand, like all the other boutique dog foods, is not manufactured & tested according to the WSAVA guidelines, & this one's linked to DCM (9 cases in the FB group devoted to this disease.) Why trust any diet, GF or not, that's not been subject to proper feeding trials? In the blogasphere, Purina is often bad mouthed, but that's definitely not the consensus view of board-certified nutritionists & cardiologists. (Understatement of the year.)

Despite its huge marketshare, Purina has zero cases of dx'd DCM. Wellness is a much much smaller co. Luck of the draw when/if/how many of its cases come to light. .
Hello,

No I cannot see his ribs and all. He is quite fluffy. I believe he is around 30KG now. which is 66lbs. I'm not gonna switch from wellness because he is doing really well and im not feeding him according to their guidelines. im monitoring his weight size and all. So im adjusting here and there. When he was a puppy i gave him wellness core puppy food which had high protein content. However, wellness adult foods protein content is just 24% and I've alredy checked with 2 of our vets and both of them said this nutri level is good. you can read abt this here - https://www.wellnesspetfood.com/natu...th-lamb-barley

Crude Protein Not Less Than 24.00%
Crude Fat Not Less Than 12.00%
Crude Fiber Not More Than 4.00%
Moisture Not More Than 10.00%
Calcium Not Less Than 1.50%
Phosphorus Not Less Than 1.00%
Vitamin A Not Less Than 25,000 IU/kg
Vitamin E Not Less Than 200 IU/kg
Omega-6 Fatty Acids* Not Less Than 2.50%
Omega-3 Fatty Acids* Not Less Than 1.00%
Glucosamine* Not Less Than 250 mg/kg
Chondroitin Sulfate* Not Less Than 200 mg/kg
Taurine* Not Less Than 0.09%
Total Lactic Acid Microorganisms* Not Less Than 20,000,000 CFU/lb
ksmith08 is offline  
post #9 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-15-2019, 05:34 AM
New Member
 
goldwhiz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: NY
Posts: 19
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Images: 1
Thanks: 1
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
If dog is fluffy.... put both hands on body, fingers spread w. thumbs near spine .. is there a thin layer of fat over his ribs? This is a standard check for just right vs. too-fat/ too thin. You are probably rel. new to dogs.

About your intention to stick w. what you are feeding...

I will begin by saying 'phooey!' and 'why gamble?' Are you aware that NONE of the boutique foods including those not (yet) on the FDA list, follow best practice guidelines? That NONE of them run feeding trials? Do you think that this Gold Standard is a joke? More likely you are not familar w. these safeguards or what Specialists say.

As for your two vets...arggh. i suggest THEY join the FB DCM group for professionals in their field & try out their arguments there. It is an offshoot of the oldest (or one of the oldest) online groups devoted to DCM, founded by concerned experts & Golden retriever dog owners, alarmed by the uptick in DCM in 2017. The Golden version was organized well before the FDA first alert came out. It is carefully moderated & fact-based, as are its sister groups. Have a wonderful set of Learning Units to help us understand DCM & related issues. Nothing like it elsewhere. Together they are now ~ 100k in size. Less than 20k when I joined.

GF and exotic/unfamiliar proteins are a fad that's cornered 40% of the market by clever advertising that appeals to OUR naivitť and love of new things, things that WE ourselves would eat! Usually in slick packaging, w.a sprinkling of blueberries or some such. Welcome to the new era of the Humanization of Dog Food. (Goes nicely with our weak grasp of evolution). And now that there's an issue w. the Boutique cook-by-the-book approach, many have (naively) added taurine to look good.

DCM is a often silent, sometimes deadly disease, kills 20% of its victims. Please understand what this means. Dogs often show NO sign til it's too late.

Now ... Guess WHICH established dog food co.s have a super-good track record in term of dx'd DCM cases? The *Big Four*, the only ones that are research-oriented. And because together they have a very large marketshare, their track record means they're a safe bet. And the others are risky to feed. They're all boutique co.s,they all have the same disqualifying fault - they do not not follow WSAVA guidelines - a recipe for mistakes for any of the food they produce. Sadly, THAT is exactly what's shown up at FDA.

And for sure, MORE cases to come - the FDA reports represent only the tip of the iceberg. YOUR current brand choice, too -I must tell you - because we have credible DCM reports on it in the big, fact-oriented FB groups described above. If it were a balanced food, case reports for it would be zero.


Good luck.

Last edited by goldwhiz; 09-15-2019 at 05:59 AM.
goldwhiz is offline  
post #10 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-15-2019, 06:10 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 226
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
Thanks: 229
Thanked 72 Times in 57 Posts
Purina and Mars are the 2 platinum members of WSAVA..Tells ya something doesn't it!
jeffscott947 is offline  
Reply

Bookmarks

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Golden Retrievers : Golden Retriever Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome