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Question Changing to Raw Diet or new food?

I am new to these forums so hello! I am considering switching my dog over to a raw diet. I am not sure whether it is a good idea or a bad idea and my vet does not seem to want to even talk about it.

My pup is 11 months and not neutered. The vet told us to switch him to an industry approved food at 6 months so he is on Science Diet adult large breed. I have seen Royal Canine for Goldens which has intrigued me, as well as the raw diet.

What do you feed your golden? Do you have any recommendations? Just curious!

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I personally would not do a raw diet without speaking to a nutritionist before hand. Are you aware of the studies linking DCM in Golden's to taurine deficiency from grain free diets? Are you having issues on the Science Diet? I didn't personally have good luck with the Royal Canine, but many people do. My choices tend to be Purina Pro Plan, Science Diet, Royal Canine, Eukanuba.... I'm sure there's one I've missed.

I've spoken to the nutritionist at Purina, and Royal Canine and found them to be very knowledgeable and helpful if you have specific questions.

There is a FB group Taurine Deficiency in Golden Retrievers that has a ton of information if you would like more.

I know everyone has opinions on what to feed. I have one guy on an RX diet by Purina, and another on the Purina Pro Plan Sport 30/20. My dogs are extremely active hence the Sport 30/20.
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I do a raw diets with my dog. I actually supplement with it. I do Kibble and I do Nature's Variety Instinct raw. They have Medallions in 1oz and patties in 4oz. It takes 2 patties a meal or I do a patty with kibble or I do kibble with 1 or 2 medallions in it. I have knowledge better than most about canine nutrition and I still would never attempt a raw diet that I would make my own, especially a recipe you get online. I only do commercially prepared diets where I know it's been tested pathogen free and safe to be fed raw and balanced with a guaranteed analysis.



But the benefits or the raw diet are FAR superior then any kibble and any of those refrigerated foods like pet fresh which is pasteurized. You should also never have a taurine deficiency since you're feeding raw meat. Taurine is a meat protein based amino acid that gets destroyed in the cooking process. That is why they have to add it back into kibble. But raw uncooked meat is bursting with available taurine.



Raw diets are infinitely better for kidney health, dental, balancing the gut with good bacteria, and digestion. Plus you get maximum nutrition so you feed less volume which should help guard against bloat/gastric torsion.


Just do some reading on raw diets but I really warn against making your own.

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Thank you, @Maggie'sVoice and @DblTrblGolden2 for the replies!

My golden isn't having any issues on Science Diet, but I have heard of the benefits of raw and wanted to research more. We are very strongly against a grain-free diet per our veterinarian.

I appreciate the advice on the duo of kibbles and raw! I was thinking that if I were to switch my guy over in that direction, I would definitely use a commercially prepared diet. I have seen several of them through instagram and would obviously research further.
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Thank you, @Maggie'sVoice and @DblTrblGolden2 for the replies!

My golden isn't having any issues on Science Diet, but I have heard of the benefits of raw and wanted to research more. We are very strongly against a grain-free diet per our veterinarian.

I appreciate the advice on the duo of kibbles and raw! I was thinking that if I were to switch my guy over in that direction, I would definitely use a commercially prepared diet. I have seen several of them through instagram and would obviously research further.

Just some info... The guy that formulated Nature's Variety Instinct Raw left Nature's Variety and he's the one that formulated Nature's Logic Raw food. Same guy but different. One has a lot of ingredients and the other , Nature's logic is a more limited number of ingredients.

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thank you! this is really helpful!

My husband and I are kinda in the in-between of why switch if its not broken. I know people who are doing raw say that the benefits are huge, but its hard to find a lot of material to back it up.
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thank you! this is really helpful!

My husband and I are kinda in the in-between of why switch if its not broken. I know people who are doing raw say that the benefits are huge, but its hard to find a lot of material to back it up.

Some benefits...



One is the natural enzymes on the meat that has not been cooked away. They will break down all the plaque and tartar on teh teeth and get in between teeth too, like flossing. Those same enzymes will travel down to the stomach and help seed the gut with good bacteria (balances the gut. Both help with bad breath as bad breath comes from plaque and tartar build up and a bad gut.


Two... maximum nutrition. when you cook food you destroy a lot of nutrients. This is the reason they add a vitamin and mineral package to the food, to re-balance it. With this being said, certain vitamins can be toxic in excess. Like Vitamin A. to much is toxic, but a raw carrot, the dog will take the beta carotene and create it's own vitamin A as it needs it and discards the rest, no excesses.anything cook is altered and anything synthetic like vitamins forces the body to try to absorb it.



Three... You aren't feeding a kibble that is just 10% moisture. Feeding raw food at 65-75% moisture means you will get healthier kidneys. Dry food absorbs a lot of the water your dog drinks. This in turn pulls the water through the colon and not let it pass to the kidneys to help keep them flushes. Your dog will probably drink less and go to the bathroom as much or a little more, this being healthier for the kidneys.


Four... at least up until a couple years ago, at that point there still was no known or reported cases of a raw diet killing dogs whereas with kibble, that certainly can not be said.


I would feed strictly raw if it wasn't going to cost me over $100 a month to feed so I supplement it with a high quality kibble. Though I may try to see if the bank account can handle it over a couple months and go from there.

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Some benefits...



One is the natural enzymes on the meat that has not been cooked away. They will break down all the plaque and tartar on teh teeth and get in between teeth too, like flossing. Those same enzymes will travel down to the stomach and help seed the gut with good bacteria (balances the gut. Both help with bad breath as bad breath comes from plaque and tartar build up and a bad gut.


Two... maximum nutrition. when you cook food you destroy a lot of nutrients. This is the reason they add a vitamin and mineral package to the food, to re-balance it. With this being said, certain vitamins can be toxic in excess. Like Vitamin A. to much is toxic, but a raw carrot, the dog will take the beta carotene and create it's own vitamin A as it needs it and discards the rest, no excesses.anything cook is altered and anything synthetic like vitamins forces the body to try to absorb it.



Three... You aren't feeding a kibble that is just 10% moisture. Feeding raw food at 65-75% moisture means you will get healthier kidneys. Dry food absorbs a lot of the water your dog drinks. This in turn pulls the water through the colon and not let it pass to the kidneys to help keep them flushes. Your dog will probably drink less and go to the bathroom as much or a little more, this being healthier for the kidneys.


Four... at least up until a couple years ago, at that point there still was no known or reported cases of a raw diet killing dogs whereas with kibble, that certainly can not be said.


I would feed strictly raw if it wasn't going to cost me over $100 a month to feed so I supplement it with a high quality kibble. Though I may try to see if the bank account can handle it over a couple months and go from there.

Lots of excellent information there. I will admit I am very new at this and don't know much so all you time is helping me out a lot! Thank you!

This may be a stupid question. If so, I apologize. But, there is a lot of information out there about grain-free diets, taurine, etc. Feeding raw and food like Instinct would be grain-free generally, right? Would you supplement for taurine or am I just not thinking this through clearly.
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We just switched our 15 month old golden boy over to 100% raw. We alternate proteins (Turkey, Beef, Chicken and Lamb) between Raw Bistro and Northwest Naturals. He's never done better....great poops, etc. By the way, we did not neuter him, but did a vasectomy as we have an intact young girl Boxer at home. It's worked out great.
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Lots of excellent information there. I will admit I am very new at this and don't know much so all you time is helping me out a lot! Thank you!

This may be a stupid question. If so, I apologize. But, there is a lot of information out there about grain-free diets, taurine, etc. Feeding raw and food like Instinct would be grain-free generally, right? Would you supplement for taurine or am I just not thinking this through clearly.
It's ok, I'm glad to help.

No the grain free is implicated (and it's not all grain free) because a lot of the formulas use ingredients that aren't in the typical food formulas, they add the legumes and such because if a dog has issues with certain ingredients they use alternate ingredients. That was the original idea or reason they started the grain free fad. The issue is not enough taurine in the dry food and they get to much of their protein from the legumes ausing a deficientcy in taurine. There is plenty of taurine in raw meat. It hasn't been cooked away. The raw I feed Maggie is 95% meat and 5% fruits and veggies with no synthetic vitamins or minerals. So you should not have to supplement taurine with a few meat based food.

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