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We just switched our 15 month old golden boy over to 100% raw. We alternate proteins (Turkey, Beef, Chicken and Lamb) between Raw Bistro and Northwest Naturals. He's never done better....great poops, etc. By the way, we did not neuter him, but did a vasectomy as we have an intact young girl Boxer at home. It's worked out great.
I am definitely leaning towards switching him over to 100% raw. We are in talks with a nutritionist at the moment, but the owner of our pup's school said that he has been raw feeding his 6 pups for 12 years! I am very interested about the vasectomy as well! Our pup is 11 months and the vet has wanted to neuter him at 6.. we pushed out to 12.. and now I am thinking about pushing out further. Why did you choose it? Thank you so much!
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No the grain free is implicated (and it's not all grain free) because a lot of the formulas use ingredients that aren't in the typical food formulas, they add the legumes and such because if a dog has issues with certain ingredients they use alternate ingredients. That was the original idea or reason they started the grain free fad. The issue is not enough taurine in the dry food and they get to much of their protein from the legumes ausing a deficientcy in taurine. There is plenty of taurine in raw meat. It hasn't been cooked away. The raw I feed Maggie is 95% meat and 5% fruits and veggies with no synthetic vitamins or minerals. So you should not have to supplement taurine with a few meat based food.
Thank you so much! I actually contacted a dog nutritionist to help too because raw is so highly recommended and I only really know as much as you've told me and the little bits I've gotten online!
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Thank you so much! I actually contacted a dog nutritionist to help too because raw is so highly recommended and I only really know as much as you've told me and the little bits I've gotten online!
No problem! Make sure the guy has the correct credentials as a true nutritionist. To many people that think they really know sometime so they call themselves a nutritionist and in the end the dogs are the ones that pay the price.

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I am definitely leaning towards switching him over to 100% raw. We are in talks with a nutritionist at the moment, but the owner of our pup's school said that he has been raw feeding his 6 pups for 12 years! I am very interested about the vasectomy as well! Our pup is 11 months and the vet has wanted to neuter him at 6.. we pushed out to 12.. and now I am thinking about pushing out further. Why did you choose it? Thank you so much!
This is probably the quotation from the Parsemus Foundation that had the biggest impact on our decision to do a vasectomy.


"A publication from U.C. Davis (2013) looked at two joint disorders and three cancers– hip dysplasia, cranial cruciate ligament tear, lymphosarcoma, hemangiosarcoma and mast cell tumor– and showed that, for all five diseases analyzed, the disease rates were significantly higher in both males and females that were neutered either early or late compared with intact (non-neutered) dogs. For males, the health pro and cons tip even more strongly in favor of keeping the hormones than in females, since the only health conditions prevented by neuter are benign prostatic hyperplasia in older dogs (which is treatable by neuter), and testicular cancer (which is also a disease of old age and treated by castration, which is usually curative)."


We wanted to give our new boy the best possible chance for good health in life and, since he is very well behaved (no humping, marking, etc) it seemed a great choice. We would probably have just kept him intact but we have a young female Boxer at home too.
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I also supplemented with Instinct raw medallions with Callie. It was 1 of her 3 meals where the other 2 were grain free kibble. Still don't know the cause of her passing last July but the ER vet suspected was blood clot and not heart related. That being said and all the DCM research, I am planning on feeding my new puppy who is 8 weeks old Purina Pro Plan for now and when she is older, will start to supplement with raw but commercial raw as it is treated to avoid bacteria. I also plan to consult a board-certified nutritionist to have a diet made for her bc I don't like the idea of the 4 big food companies that are recommended. That will be down the line though as I want to keep her on what the breeder has recommended. I also add warm water to her kibble to hydrate it as kibble is hard on the kidneys as Maggie's Voice discussed. I add enough to make the food float. If your dog is not used to this, add warm water in small amounts over time increasing it.

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My education about pet food started with a subscription to The Whole Dog Journal. I've been subscribing to this monthly magazine for almost 20 years now and, although they have a definite "natural" bent, I've found them to be very balanced and science-based as well, and perfectly open to "traditional" ideas as an option to consider. I highly recommend it if you are just starting down the road of information about raw diets, holistic health care, positive training, etc. They have a yearly "recommended dog foods" issue that many consider the gold standard for quality dog foods (you have to be a subscriber to see the most recent list, but a Google search should bring up past years' lists). I also highly recommend checking out a website called "Dog Aware" - lots of really good health and nutrition information there!

FWIW I've been feeding my guys raw for about 15 years now. Like Eric, I have chosen to spend the money to purchase commercially prepared raw diets (Bravo, Nature's Variety, Stella and Chewy's, and Primal among others) just to be sure they are balanced. When money gets tight, I'll substitute in a good quality, all natural kibble for some of the raw. I used to use one of the many high-quality grain-free foods before the DCM scare, but I'm feeding some Fromm Gold right now (which has grains) until they figure out what's causing the DCM.

If you are just starting out, you can also start by feeding the best quality kibble you can and adding in some healthy people food in moderation (canned mackerel, lean cooked meats, pureed veggies, eggs, etc.). That Dog Aware site I mentioned has an article about adding fresh food to a kibble diet. Every little bit helps!

For now, I'd say just keep reading and educating yourself. If nothing else, learning to read a dog food label, and knowing what ingredients may not be the best choice for your dog, is a great start!

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My education about pet food started with a subscription to The Whole Dog Journal. I've been subscribing to this monthly magazine for almost 20 years now and, although they have a definite "natural" bent, I've found them to be very balanced and science-based as well, and perfectly open to "traditional" ideas as an option to consider. I highly recommend it if you are just starting down the road of information about raw diets, holistic health care, positive training, etc. They have a yearly "recommended dog foods" issue that many consider the gold standard for quality dog foods (you have to be a subscriber to see the most recent list, but a Google search should bring up past years' lists). I also highly recommend checking out a website called "Dog Aware" - lots of really good health and nutrition information there!

FWIW I've been feeding my guys raw for about 15 years now. Like Eric, I have chosen to spend the money to purchase commercially prepared raw diets (Bravo, Nature's Variety, Stella and Chewy's, and Primal among others) just to be sure they are balanced. When money gets tight, I'll substitute in a good quality, all natural kibble for some of the raw. I used to use one of the many high-quality grain-free foods before the DCM scare, but I'm feeding some Fromm Gold right now (which has grains) until they figure out what's causing the DCM.

If you are just starting out, you can also start by feeding the best quality kibble you can and adding in some healthy people food in moderation (canned mackerel, lean cooked meats, pureed veggies, eggs, etc.). That Dog Aware site I mentioned has an article about adding fresh food to a kibble diet. Every little bit helps!

For now, I'd say just keep reading and educating yourself. If nothing else, learning to read a dog food label, and knowing what ingredients may not be the best choice for your dog, is a great start!

All good information but I have found the Whole Dog Journal to be bit political. It seems they are swayed and not sure why!? Nothing will change in formula and list or recommended foods is different from another. I mean some foods that were 1 and 2 would totally missing from the next list with no changes in any of the foods at all. They can have some good source material but I don't know if I'd ever trust their food evaluations.

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All good information but I have found the Whole Dog Journal to be bit political. It seems they are swayed and not sure why!? Nothing will change in formula and list or recommended foods is different from another. I mean some foods that were 1 and 2 would totally missing from the next list with no changes in any of the foods at all. They can have some good source material but I don't know if I'd ever trust their food evaluations.
I think it's just that over the years there have gotten to be so many foods that meet their criteria of a "good food" that they've added a few other criteria just to whittle the list down a bit. Things like the company being willing to share where their manufacturing facility is, or where they source their ingredients. It's not that the foods that used to be on the list have suddenly become "bad", WDJ is just holding them to a slightly higher standard. WDJ does not accept advertising, so I believe they are less biased and more balanced in their assessments than many other resources. I still trust their evaluations far more than most similar sites/resources and think it's a great resource for someone who is just starting to learn about what makes a high-quality dog food. It's also a nice, concise way for a newbie to take a list to a pet store or a website and be able to know which of the MANY foods offered might be worth trying.

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I think it's just that over the years there have gotten to be so many foods that meet their criteria of a "good food" that they've added a few other criteria just to whittle the list down a bit. Things like the company being willing to share where their manufacturing facility is, or where they source their ingredients. It's not that the foods that used to be on the list have suddenly become "bad", WDJ is just holding them to a slightly higher standard. WDJ does not accept advertising, so I believe they are less biased and more balanced in their assessments than many other resources. I still trust their evaluations far more than most similar sites/resources and think it's a great resource for someone who is just starting to learn about what makes a high-quality dog food. It's also a nice, concise way for a newbie to take a list to a pet store or a website and be able to know which of the MANY foods offered might be worth trying.

No I don't think it's about a food becoming bad that leaves a list or moves around. I think they are paid for placements. Maybe I'm wrong but there is no rhyme or reason for this. It makes no sense why the foods drop off the list and others come out of nowhere. And if it is like you say... I wouldn't trust them as they are just changing the list around arbitrarily? They should make a list or recommended foods if that is the case and not a top 10 foods. I don't listen to any sites actually. I feel they all have an agenda at some level. The best thing to do is to learn truly about canine nutrition and learn to to truly evaluate a food and you can make an informed decision. I have actually seen them knock a food for something and another food has the same thing but gets moved up for no reason. again, just not something I've learned to ignore, the websites top 10 foods lists and the like.


As far as lists to take into a store, they were still recommending all the grain free foods that have been implicated in the DCM issue with no cursory note attached to warn of a possible issue. These people aren't being informed to make an informed decision. In fact, they are still recommending foods with legumes in them.

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I feel that the WDJ can be a good source of information about understanding what certain ingredients are but it just seems they don't know how to decipher their own information properly.

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