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Best Dried Food?

Hello! I'm new here, so happy to have found it. I'm switching my 4 yr old golden's food and could use some help. He has been on Fromms dried (various flavors) for over two years. He has never loved it (he also grew tired of his first food which was Natural Balance I think). We are now into "toppers" (canned food, doggie broth and/or crunchy toppers) to get him to eat his food, it's a bit nutty?! My vet is not overly helpful on diet. He is not impressed with new designer type foods. I'm all for quality ingredients. In my search there are several brands that have popped up but the one I'd like to know about is Royal Canin for Golden Retrievers. Anyone out there with experience with it? I don't love the way the ingredients sound...chicken byproduct meal? Lots of grains, which my vet would probably like. My pup does get itchy and can get hot spots in summer from skin irritations and his coat not drying properly, his coat is EXTREMELY thick and dense. He loves the water but I have to be super careful he doesn't get hotspots. Royal Canin claims their food helps with skin irritations. I'm afraid to try it because I don't like the ingredients but I could be convinced else wise. Or please tell me what brands you think are great for goldens. He's active enough in good weather, winter is harder but I try pretty hard to make sure he is active enough. He weighs 72 right now which is a little high after the polar vortex winter we had, usually he is 69. We live in Chicago area. THANKS FOR ANY ADVICE! ps. he is my first dog : )
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I like feeding a food with better looking ingredients too. But I will say this... As long as the food delivery the right levels of all the vitamins and mineral, that is a healthy food. Ingredients are vehicles that deliver nutrients. So as long as the dog doesn't have an issue with a certain ingredient, the food is good. There is good research behind the Royal Canin. So it's safe and ok to feed.

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My pup does get itchy and can get hot spots in summer from skin irritations and his coat not drying properly, his coat is EXTREMELY thick and dense. He loves the water but I have to be super careful he doesn't get hotspots. Royal Canin claims their food helps with skin
There are a lot of members including myself that feed Purina Pro Plan formulas. I happen to feed the Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Skin and Stomach formula because my boy has a sensitive stomach. It contains a lot of Omega 3s, I feed the salmon formula. He has a nice thick coat, neither his skin or coat is dry and he's never had a hot spot.

I have a small beach at the end of my street where I take my boy swimming several times a week during the summer. He swims in the Inter Coastal Waterway-it's salt water, he rolls in the sand on the beach. I usually hose him off when we get home and let him air dry...... still no hot spots.


I adopted my boy at the age of 2 from my County shelter, he was 15-20 pounds underweight-he was a stray, and was having stomach issues, very thin coat. I tried numerous brands/formulas. Several forum members that were breeders recommended it. My boy is 10 now, he's doing great on it, has a great coat.
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Thanks for your response, I'll check it out! Your boy sounds like mine. They sure do like to roll too don't they? : 0
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I agree with the above, seems many member here feed Purina Pro Plan, whether they be the Large Breed Food, Large breed Puppy food or the sensitive skin and stomach formulas.

Two of my three are on PP (one on the large breed puppy, another on the sensitive formula) and they love It, and are doing fantastic on it.
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What Should We Be Feeding Our Pet?

I am one of many pet owners who are deeply saddened at the loss of their pet to nutritional deficiencies of taurine or diet induced Dilated Cardiomyopathy (DCM). We find we are blaming ourselves for feeding a ‘BEG’ diet to our loved pet, as we were thinking we were feeding the ‘best.’ My Golden was not even five years old when she was diagnosed with DCM and passed just a day later. She was being fed a high priced, and well marketed BEG diet. After a time, I now have another Golden, and am doing what I can to educate myself and to feed her the best kibble, based on up to date qualified knowledge on this serious issue affecting many breeds.

“BEG” diet are ‘suspect’ diets. BEG stands for Boutique Exotic ingredient, and Grain-free.

 Boutique - A boutique diet is one made by a pet food manufacturer who does not employ an appropriately qualified team of experts to study and formulate their diets. These companies often rely on marketing trends rather than testing and nutritional research.
 Exotic Ingredients- These are ingredients not classically found in pet foods and consist of animal proteins such as kangaroo, buffalo/bison, ostrich, alligator, duck, lamb, salmon, venison, and rabbit.
 Grain-free: These are diets that are free of ingredients such as barley, buckwheat, corn, oats, quinoa, and rice. More recently, these traditional grains have been replaced with pulse ingredients (legume seeds such as peas, lentils, various beans and chickpeas) and it is these pulse ingredients that are currently thought to be a major contributor to the development of NM-DCM.
The best thing one can do is to buy your dog food from a company that meets criteria/guidelines from both:

(1) AAFCO (Association of American Feed Control Officials)
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(2) WSAVA (WSAVA's is a global veterinary community, with a primary purpose to advance the quality and availability of small animal medicine and surgery, creating a unified standard of care for the benefit of animals and humankind.”) criteria.

https://www.wsava.org/WSAVA/media/Ar...r-your-Pet.pdf

It is recommended that your food company employ at least one full-time nutritionist(which must be a PhD or boarded DVM nutritionist), that all the company’s diets are formulated by nutritionists at these levels of expertise, and that the company not release a formula without testing and trialing that formula using the feed trial protocols established by the AAFCO. In other words, no diet is sold until it proves that it nourishes real dogs, under real conditions, rather than just having the right nutritional math but never having been tested. The company should do a huge amount of quality testing, and every batch coming into the plant should be tested. The company should manufacture the diet themselves, so it can control the ingredients and quality; it should not just send a recipe and a bag label design to a plant that makes food for many companies. And the company should subject its diets to peer-reviewed scientific research and be able to back up any of its claims with data that is available to the public. This is the unanimous assessment of cardiologist and nutritionists who uncovered the taurine-DCM relationship.

There are four US dog food brands that we know satisfy these criteria:
Purina (most formulas)
Hills (Science Diet)
Royal Canin
Eukanuba

A lot of Dog Food brands have done an excellent job marketing their kibble and their delicious human-appealing ingredient words, and a pretty poor job making sure that they’re nourishing our dogs. It is difficult to find even a single lots-o-stars brand that employs a full-time nutritionist, let alone meets the other criteria. So, you’ll find that when it comes to talking about lower-risk foods, the same companies are going to get mentioned a lot.
Purina (most formulas), Hills (Science Diet), Royal Canin, and Eukanuba
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We have been using RC for Goldens for the last 9 months and this is the first time with no allergy meds. It also contains taurine in the ingredients panel.
Sorry for your loss, carlswans. Very good information shared.
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Hudson's breeder studies dog food and recommended "Nutrisource adult chicken and rice". (note: NOT nutrOsource)

Hudson was on adult food from day one.

I tried to study dog food when I had Cody but it is SO confusing! I trust Hudson's breeder and left it up to her to tell me what food was best.

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I have a question. I too always strive to give my pet the best food. My breeder had the puppies on Chicken Soup for the Soul puppy formula. I changed from that to Royal Canin but switched over to PPP because of Royal Canins use of chicken biproduct meal and Leo's development of allergies. Is chicken biproduct meal bad or less nutritional?

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I have a question. I too always strive to give my pet the best food. My breeder had the puppies on Chicken Soup for the Soul puppy formula. I changed from that to Royal Canin but switched over to PPP because of Royal Canins use of chicken biproduct meal and Leo's development of allergies. Is chicken biproduct meal bad or less nutritional?

Grade 3 Byproduct meal will contain muscle meat, feathers, feet and potentially any middlings of grain hulls and is whats in the cheapest foods in Walmart and grocery like Ol' Roy, Purina and Pedigree amount many many others. Grade 1 is the best form and only contains muscle meat and organ meat. So it is much much more clean then a grade 3 form of chicken Byproduct meal.


I'm not necessarily a fan of all the organ meat as the organs filter out a lot of the toxins in the body like kidneys, liver and spleen. So to process out that stuff how much does it damage the quality of the protein!? This is technically why I like Chicken Meal and not the Byproduct meal. Though any from of a meat meal is better then fresh meat like chicken, lamb, beef etc.

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