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Itchy Golden Pup! Chicken??

Hello! I have a sweet 5 month golden pup. For the first 3-4 months, we fed her Purina Pro Plan Large Breed Puppy, and she was doing great on it until suddenly developed bouts of loose stools. After a few weeks of trying the bland diet and antibiotics/probiotics, my vet recommended we start feeding her Purina EN prescription food. It has been about a month and she no longer has diarrhea, but she has dry, flakey skin and is so itchy! She has developed a small bald spot on her hip from biting herself so much. It isn't irritated or red, but it shows that she is scratching more aggressively lately. She was also diagnosed with her second ear infection today. My vet is treating her ear infection and dry skin, but I can't help but wonder if she has an allergy to something in the food. I have heard that goldens can be prone to allergies from chicken products, which both of the foods we used with her have. I am skeptical that a prescription diet is necessary for her without trying anything else first. My dad swears that both of the goldens we had growing up had ear infections and itchiness that was solved when he started using food without chicken products. Has anyone experienced a chicken intolerance with their pup, and how did you figure out our dog's symptoms were related to chicken products? Thanks for any feedback!

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Iím pretty sure that your vet has options for looking at allergies. Iím not sure where you are in the world, but if itís spring time, it could be just general allergies from pollen or grass. In the meantime, record what you feed and how much each day. If you switch foods, transition slowly. Young dogs have loose stools sometimes and it just takes time for their systems to get in synch. But your vet should work with you to figure out what is causing the skin issues.


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I think Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Skin and Stomach has a salmon version that might help. There's also another version lamb or duck, I dont have time to look it up but my vet thought the salmon version was better for another dog I had with stomach issues. I would ask the vet though before making any changes and like Alaska said, switch very gradually.


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Not unheard of but fairly unlikely that a 5 month old pup would have allergies as allergies are developed over time. Your dog will never just be allergic to something without exposure for a while. Certain things can cause itchiness. Did your dog receive a Lepto shot? That has been known to cause auto immune issues. The other thing can be a bad shot location of the rabies shot (should have received just a month earlier). I've seen pups get the shot in a bad place (especially if a tech gave the shot and not the vet) and they are incessant about biting or scratching at the shot location. the next thing would be dry skin. Dry skin from lower quality pet foods or even laying near a heat register will result in dry skin and that will lead to a lot of itchiness. The last thing I would also consider is Ichthyosis, a genetic issue dogs get which cause extreme flaking of the skin but usually doesn't make them itchy, it just makes them very very dandruffy. I personally would look all of the above first and if all is clear then I'd then consider the allergies.

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Some dogs do not do well on chicken, also corn or soy.

I feed PPP for Sensitive skin and stomach salmon to my boy, he has a sensitive stomach. It has a lot of Omega 3s, it' great for their skin and coat too.

I would check with your Vet first before thinking of making a switch since your dog is on the Purina EN Prescription food.

Ear Infections-I use a homemade ear cleaner, it's three equal parts of water, white vinegar and alcohol. I soak a cotton ball and put it in my boys ear, massage the ear.
Then I add a dab of the Healthy Ear Recipe. When I adopted my boy he had a couple of ear infections, he's my 3rd Golden and the only one that has ever had ear problems.

Once I got his ear infections cleared up, I started using the Healthy Ear Recipe after cleaning his ears weekly with the water/vinegar/alcohol cleaner.

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Healthy Ear Recipe (from Arcane)

1 tube Monistat (generic is fine)
1 tube Polysporin (use the real deal - it's inexpensive)
1 tube Cortaid (generic works here as well)

Use tubes of similar size. Mix all three together in a container that can
be closed well. It takes a bit to incorporate because the Polysporin is a
bit like Vaseline. Once incorporated, it stays mixed.

If ears are gunky, inflamed or smell bad, start with using a pea sized
dollop twice a day. Use your finger to gently push it into the ear. Rub.
Dogs will only shake their heads once or twice! It's a creamy, very
soothing mixture. Once you have the ears under control, lessen how often
you use it till you're only using it once a week. Once a week keeps ears
from getting bad again.

My doctor (human) is the one that came up with this as her dogs were having ear issues that weren't really under control from the things her vet was prescribing! Anyone that I know that has gone to using it has had
remarkable results and the dogs are much happier and SAFER than using
anything with alcohol in it. I was told by my vet that alcohol just dries
the ear out - which includes drying out the ear drum AND that if there is
even the tiniest of perforations in that ear drum, it can let alcohol down
into the middle ear where it can do permanent damage. That's why this cream is SOOOOO good! There's nothing "liquid" about it. It goes in and melts it's way down to where it's needed. No alcohol to cause drying or damage and it will take care of anything yeast, bacterial etc...
You'll need to get the ear infection cleared up before using this Healthy Ear recipe. Once it's cleared up, this can be used as weekly maintenance.
There are all kinds of ear cleaners on the market, if you want to use a mixture that is all natural and less expensive, the water, white vinegar and alcohol mixture works really well. You can buy the items at Walmart or any drug store along with the items for the Healthy Ear Recipe.
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When we first got Denver he was on IAMs large breed puppy which is a chicken formula food. He never liked that food, he had episodes of loose stools and also had a little bit of dry skin. The vet thought that the dry skin was most likely because his crate was near a heater, it was VERY cold and dry outside as well and he was so young (2-3) months when he had the dry skin and their sebaceous glands are not fully functional then.

We moved his crate away from the heater, we switched him to PPP Large Breed Puppy at the recommendation of our vet (and this forum) and added a salmon oil supplement to his food. His skin cleared up really quickly and I have not noticed any dry skin since he was about 3.5 months old. He's 7 months now. His stools also firmed up and became regular after the food switch too! We think there was something in the IAMS food that just did not work for Denver.

We just finished the transition to PPP Sensitive Skin and Stomach and Denver is doing really well on that as well. You could transition your pup to that food as well...it is my understanding that they can switch to adult food as early at 4 months?
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Thank you so much for the replies!! - actually, yes, my dog did recently receive a lepto shot, and she is scheduled for her 2nd one in 2 weeks. My vet told me that this vaccine was optional, and when I asked for her professional opinion, she said that most of the pups they see get the vaccine. After doing some research, now I'm not so sure if I should continue with the second round of this!

She does have dandruff, which we have noticed for a couple of months now, but the itchiness seems to have gotten worse in the last few weeks. Right now we are getting her ear infection cleared up, and treating her with fish oil supplement, Douxo Mousse and benadryl for the itching. My vet did say that it could be something with her diet, but for now let's see if treating the dry skin and ear infection will resolve the itchiness. I was really disappointed with my pup started having diarrhea on the PPP Large Breed Puppy, because she really seemed to love that food for the first 2-3 months! I will continue with the PPP EN as long as my vet thinks we need to, I believe this is a good quality food, but I would prefer to have her on a Large Breed Puppy specific food if possible because I have heard that is the best for pups!
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Does she have dandruff or Ichthyosis? That is something for you to look into. It's not a big deal either way, but Ichthyosis would explain dandruff, and can tend to get worse. I have found that a fish oil supplement helps it. I have used the Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Skin and Stomach Salmon version in the past and found it to be really helpful with itching. I also like the lamb and oatmeal version. If they tolerate it I think the fish based proteins in the Salmon help improve the coat and skin. If not you can always add a supplement. I have a puppy that has been on the Purina Pro Plan Large Breed Puppy Chicken and Rice and I supplement with Salmon Oil. I just apply a squirt to his food. I did go over the ingredients of the food and the supplement with my vet before starting it. It can also be beneficial to their joints. My little guy has had some joint problems.

I also can't say enough about Cytopoint Injections. My 8 year old golden had a spell last winter where he was constantly digging, to the point his skin was irritated. Within 3 days of the injection he completely stopped. I'm not positive what caused it but believe it was an environmental allergy. I narrowed it down to starting a few days after we brought our Christmas tree in, but we also went to Florida during that time and I wonder if it could be something he came in contact with there?
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