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Good to read you have had positive results with Farmina. Their ingredients as listed are far superior to what the big 4 companies are using. The only thing at this point with Farmina is that the ancestral grain does not have a puppy specific formula and I am concerned about feeding Coco an all stages food yet as she is only 20 weeks old. Is your dog an adults? Thanks for your feedback.
Farmina Ancestral Grain has a puppy food in that line.

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I don't think that puppy food is one I would choose for my pups. The bag reads well ingredient wise but some things concern me. That is a lot of protein and fat in that Farmina puppy food. Max protein and fat for even a small breed puppy food is supposed to be 30/16. Large breed puppies ideal levels are between 24/12 and 26/14 and phosphorous is above the higher end of the range of .4% to .8% at .91% which is what leads to kidney disease (excess phosphorus, not the protein but the phos in the protein). Ash is high too above 6% (7.3%). This means lesser quality meats and ash is what leads to stones/crystals in the urine.

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I don't think that puppy food is one I would choose for my pups. The bag reads well ingredient wise but some things concern me. That is a lot of protein and fat in that Farmina puppy food. Max protein and fat for even a small breed puppy food is supposed to be 30/16. Large breed puppies ideal levels are between 24/12 and 26/14 and phosphorous is above the higher end of the range of .4% to .8% at .91% which is what leads to kidney disease (excess phosphorus, not the protein but the phos in the protein). Ash is high too above 6% (7.3%). This means lesser quality meats and ash is what leads to stones/crystals in the urine.
thanks Eric. Good to know. Coco is still eating PPP large breed puppy. She weighs in at 21 pounds now at 20 weeks. Do you like the regular Farmina Ancestral Grain formula once a pup becomes an adult? I don't remember at what age did you transition Maggie to adult food? Also, how much did she weigh at Coco's age? I worry Coco doesn't weigh enough but our vet seems fine with her weight. I am feeding 3 cups of food a day divided into 3 meals.

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thanks Eric. Good to know. Coco is still eating PPP large breed puppy. She weighs in at 21 pounds now at 20 weeks. Do you like the regular Farmina Ancestral Grain formula once a pup becomes an adult? I don't remember at what age did you transition Maggie to adult food? Also, how much did she weigh at Coco's age? I worry Coco doesn't weigh enough but our vet seems fine with her weight. I am feeding 3 cups of food a day divided into 3 meals.

Maggie was about the same weight as Coco at 20 weeks I think about 19 pounds (she topped out at 58 pounds). I transitioned her to adult food about 9-10 months old. That is also all I fed was 3 cups until I moved her to adult and then it was about 2-3 depending on how active she was and if she lost a pound I would bump it up. I only use the bag as a guideline. feed whatever amount maintains her weight. Don't worry about her weight overall, watch her body condition. Keep her lean while still growing keeps stress off their joints as they develop. It's usually easier to put a pound or 2 on then to take if off. and a study Purina did about 10-15 years ago shows that a dog just 5 pounds overweight can reduce their life by 2.5 years and being under by 5 pounds can extend their life by 2.5 years.


As far as Farmina goes I did look at back in December here (5th post)

https://www.goldenretrieverforum.com...rmina-dcm.html (Wolfsblut or Farmina (DCM))


That food was the puppy food so the difference I would point out to the adult is the Phosphorus is better in the adult at .8% which is in the range of .4 to .8% but at the high end of that range. The Ash content is better at 6.8% in the adult food, and I mistyped saying "I'm just a big fan of companies that try to be smarter then they are and try to add ingredients that others don't have to say they have unique ingredients" That obviously was meant to say I am NOT an big fan. Companies that try to use odd or unique ingredients when they don't have too (like the fructooligosaccharide) to try and differentiate themselves I see as trying to reinvent the wheel, they just end up outsmarting themselves. and this is how we got into the situation we're in with the DCM issue.



I'm just looking around some more and on Farmina's site it shows the adult Chicken and Pomegranate Maxi has a min 8.0% phosphorus and on chewy's site it is showing new formulation and a MIN of 9.5% phosphorus which is way to high to start with as it's a min and can be even more. I would take what Farmina's site as to be correct.

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Thanks Eric. Yes, I question the addition of fructooligosaccharides as well worried about it producing excess gas and then risk of bloat. fructooligosaccharides are added as a prebiotic for the probiotic which is not uncommon in the probiotic world for humans or animals. But it crossed my mind in terms of possibly causing gas. I think I will look further into the Precise Holistic that you are feeding. I think I will also likely keep Coco on PPP as a rotational food with the more holistic brands just because I am afraid not to in terms of DCM.

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Thanks Eric. Yes, I question the addition of fructooligosaccharides as well worried about it producing excess gas and then risk of bloat. fructooligosaccharides are added as a prebiotic for the probiotic which is not uncommon in the probiotic world for humans or animals. But it crossed my mind in terms of possibly causing gas. I think I will look further into the Precise Holistic that you are feeding. I think I will also likely keep Coco on PPP as a rotational food with the more holistic brands just because I am afraid not to in terms of DCM.
I've started feeding Nature's Variety Be Natural line (not the instinct line which in grain free) about 2 weeks ago. I was buying the Precise holistic 4-6 bags at a time (saved $8 a bag this way) and wasn't able to find it in stock anywhere). I have a few friends on the Nature's variety with their goldens and they've had no issues with DCM. Both have 4 goldens each and have had their dogs taurine tested and echos done as well. All clear.

I'm going with that food for my friends success with it and the fact I also feed their frozen raw food as well. This food also allows to freely rotate the formulas in the same line without any skin/cost changes or digestive upsets.

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I’ve read all the posts so far. I’m a new to golden’s And I had no clue about all their specific nutritional needs! I still don’t, but am trying to learn. Right now I’m feeding my 22week old PPP large breed puppy food. He eats 3 3/4 cups a day and is around 45lbs. I’m trying to figure out the best adult food to give him...very confusing! Maggie’s voice, you definitely know a lot about this stuff! So happy to have knowledgeable people like you on the site. I still have a few months to learn and will be following this thread for info. So far I’ve only been giving him his dog food and the occasional frozen banana, carrot or watermelon. I’m not opposed to giving him healthy human food/raw food... I just haven’t looked into that! I don’t know enough on how to incorporate that and balance calories/nutrients with PPP.

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