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I have seen other breeds listed as affected, including an Old English Sheepdog.

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I read that Newfies, Cocker spaniels, Rottweilers and Boxers were also affected by this. Speculation, according to what I saw, is that it is larger breeds. Not sure how a cocker spaniel fits into that though.

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Thanks for posting the ingredients for the Acana. It is the US formula but very similar to the Canadian one as far as peas, etc. are concerned. I will contact Dr. Stern to see what he says.

I feed this food because of Grit's ichthyosis. I tried many others not necessarily grain free but this was the only one which helped reduce the symptoms significantly.

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Some of whose best of the best lists?

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I feed Victor, I think it is okay, it does not have wheat, corn, or soy, but it has other grains, they also add taurine - but with everything I have read, I cannot tell. Nobody is giving enough details to what to really look for. If I called customer service, I would not even know what to ask.

Another question, is this just affecting golden retrievers or all breeds? Pretty scary, because some of the brands I have seen listed are always on the best of the best lists.



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One item of note for me. I would be very interested to know if the fact the formulations are grain free is more indicative of the problem than the reduction of meat is. I believe some grain-free formulations have meat and do NOT have legumes or soy and so may not have the same issues ...

Feeding primarily raw, I do not think this applies to my dogs -- however I do steer clear of ANY occassional kibble that limits meat and has soy or legumes. In my opinion, protein sources do matter and dogs need protein from meat sources.


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I have been trying to find a new food which has a fish based protein without peas.
This has come up from the uk (I would have to import it).
Fish4dogs Finest sardine 26% protein
26% fresh sardine
23% sweet potato
19% salmon meal
19% pea flour
Does this sound good - not too much pea protein?
I have such trouble trying to work out the protein in the dog food labels
I have found nothing grain free (Grit cannot have grains) which does not have some kind of pea protein. At least this sardine food gives the percentage of pea flour.
I spoke with the company and they do not know anything about taurine and pea protein. They call it a carbohydrate !!

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Where do you see the breakdown of where the protein is coming from? Dory's food just started adding peas, it's listed a few down on the list, and further down garbanzo beans are also listed. I can find the total protein(25%), but I can't see which portion is coming from the salmon- which is the first ingredient.

She needs grain free, chicken free, soy, corn, wheat free.
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I"ve been feeding my dog a mix of grain-free Taste of the Wild Salmon & Lamb for 2+ years, I looked at the ingredients, and saw "peas" and "garbanzo beans" as the 4th/5th ingredients on the list after the meat, should I be alarmed???

Salmon, ocean fish meal, sweet potatoes, potatoes, peas, canola oil, garbanzo beans, salmon meal, smoked salmon, potato fiber, natural flavor, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca schidigera extract, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Bifidobacterium animalis fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus reuteri fermentation product, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

Lamb, lamb meal, sweet potatoes, potatoes, peas, egg product, canola oil, roasted lamb, tomato pomace, natural flavor, salmon oil (a source of DHA), salt, choline chloride, mixed tocopherols (a preservative), dried chicory root, taurine, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca schidigera extract, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Bifidobacterium animalis fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus reuteri fermentation product, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
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Our girl is on salmon TOTW and previously it wasn't added. I'm going to ask her vet about taurine supplements if need be as I don't want to switch her food if we can avoid it.
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Ah ok you have the same kibble! Let us know what your vet says! I don't want to switch either. I tried mixing in a different TOTW flavor once and he stared down at it, looked at me with an expression like, "what is this crap," and walked away.
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