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I belong to dog food group on FB and the latest trend is avoiding foods with peas. Dory's food just started adding peas apparently.. so what's the deal with peas? Why are they bad? :/

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I've heard it's bad for fertility. Obviously that wouldn't concern Dory

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The biggest concern now is an apparent connection between Goldens being fed food that had plant based proteins added and/or the food had a lot of peas and pea products added, Some examples of plant based proteins are garbanzo beans, lentils, soy protein, chickpeas to name a few.

This seems to lead to low taurine levels, which in turn is connected to Dilated Cardiomyopathy (DCM). Several breeers have experienced DCM and low taurine levels while feeding grain free foods. Lots and lots of discussion on Golden FB discussion groups.

This is the initial post I saw, copied from a public posting on FB

"Posted by Laura Franchi.

Please read - Important Information that should be shared! Recently a number of Golden Retrievers have come up with low taurine levels and Dilated Cardiomyopathy (DCM). These dogs are not all related but one thing they all had in common --- they were being fed a food that had plant based proteins added, meat was not the main ingredient in the food or the food had a lot of peas and pea products added. Some examples of plant based proteins are garbanzo beans, lentils, soy protein, chickpeas to name a few. These owners were feeding highly rated foods and several brands are involved. Golden Retrievers are one of the breeds of dogs that have been found to suffer taurine deficiency without dietary intake. Taurine is found mainly in muscle meat. Some dog food companies do add taurine to their foods but it is not required. Everyone needs to start reading dog food labels carefully. Dogs are carnivores and do not need a lot of plant based proteins. Be certain the food you are feeding has adequate amounts of meat protein. Do not just look at the protein content of the food. If a food has meat and plant proteins added the protein content is the combination of the two. You may be feeding very little meat protein and lots of legume protein. If you have a concern, get a taurine test on your dog. You may be saving its life. Prior to taurine testing do not change food, supplement with taurine or start feeding meat to your dog's diet. This will skew the results. Some of the dogs tested had low taurine and DCM but showed no signs or symptoms. They were tested because the owners were feeding the same food as others that had found low taurine/DCM in their dogs. If you are feeding raw be certain the diet contains adequate amounts of meats that are high in taurine. DCM caused by taurine deficiency may be reversed if diagnosed early and treated. Please also share this information with your puppy buyers and your vet."

If you are interested, lots of discussion on this on the Golden Retriever Discussion Group, if you are a member, and on the public posting on Rob Paterson's FB page.

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Wow! That's scary stuff. Meat(salmon) is the main ingredient in her food, but peas & garbanzo beans are both listed once. Gah!
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I had no idea peas aren't good for dogs. In fact I thought quite the opposite :-o I even occasionally add a spoon of frozen peas to his food along with his regular kibble. TOTW has peas as a listed ingredient too.

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I had no idea peas aren't good for dogs. In fact I thought quite the opposite :-o I even occasionally add a spoon of frozen peas to his food along with his regular kibble. TOTW has peas as a listed ingredient too.
The salmon didn't have it in her last batch, it's now been added. A lot, and I mean a lot, of good kibble has this as an added ingredient.
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Does Dory have a grain issue? I can't remember. I was going to recommend a food from the same brand I feed (the non grain free ones don't have peas of any kind) but it does have grains in it. The particular food I want to recommend is salmon based as well.
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I don't mean to sound out of place here. This sounds like stuff we always hear about everything is bad. Don't feed purina because it kills pets. A lot of scare tactics. Or one I saw the other day about don't eat ketchup because it has sugar. Don't get me wrong they might actually be bad but sounds like a scare tactic.

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If meat wasn't listed as first ingredient in my mind it's not a high quality food.

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Does Dory have a grain issue? I can't remember. I was going to recommend a food from the same brand I feed (the non grain free ones don't have peas of any kind) but it does have grains in it. The particular food I want to recommend is salmon based as well.
She does. Grain, Chicken, Corn, and water(kidding!) But she's super sensitive! Gah!
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