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Shooting Preserves are a great source of live birds or wings. I would tend to avoid using quail wings as being too small and also less scent. Chukar, pheasants and ducks are all good. Goose wings are good too but you won't find them at shooting preserves or from hunt tests or field trials.

Pro dog trainers (field) are also a great source for a few birds.

Hunt tests and Field trials in your area are also a good source. They will alomost always give birds away at the end of the event. Often they also have leftover live birds that they will sell at a discounted rate.

Go to entryexpress.net to see most of the field events held around the Nation.

Plenty of folks that raise birds around the midwest. Fred Rohrer in E. Kansas is one. Several in Wisc. and Minn. Hopewell Views is a little South of Quincy and has really nice birds but I'm not sure about ducks.

Ducks hold up the best and have the most scent. Lots of folks trap pigeons around bridges and from roofs. Very easy to buy or build a pigeon trap. Fairly easy to catch them.


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Thanks for the answer!
Now....what am I supposed to be doing with these wings once I get them? That was really the 64K question, I just buried it in here...


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Shooting Preserves are a great source of live birds or wings. I would tend to avoid using quail wings as being too small and also less scent. Chukar, pheasants and ducks are all good. Goose wings are good too but you won't find them at shooting preserves or from hunt tests or field trials.

Pro dog trainers (field) are also a great source for a few birds.

Hunt tests and Field trials in your area are also a good source. They will alomost always give birds away at the end of the event. Often they also have leftover live birds that they will sell at a discounted rate.

Go to entryexpress.net to see most of the field events held around the Nation.

Plenty of folks that raise birds around the midwest. Fred Rohrer in E. Kansas is one. Several in Wisc. and Minn. Hopewell Views is a little South of Quincy and has really nice birds but I'm not sure about ducks.

Ducks hold up the best and have the most scent. Lots of folks trap pigeons around bridges and from roofs. Very easy to buy or build a pigeon trap. Fairly easy to catch them.


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If its a puppy, you can just toss the wings a few yards. They won't go far as they don't weigh much. For dogs more than a few months old I would tape them with duct tape or athletic type tape to a bumper. After the dog is retrieving the "winged bumper" I would try to switch to pigeons if at all possible. Chukars if they are not. These both work well on land.

Next I would progress to small ducks, meaniong ducks raised for training or field use. They are not as old and therefore not as big as those raised to be consumed.

If your dog does not like retrieving ducks on land you can often get them started by retrieving them first in the water. Just be sure to greet the dog at the shore as the waterlogged birds will be very heavy and many dogs don't like to carry them very far ou of the water.

Keep it positive!

To store birds after you obtain them (dead) first make sure they are as dry as possible. hanging them up by the head or neck in a cool dry place with wind if possible is best. Wrap them with newspaper to dry them even more and then place in plastic bags.

They can be kept for a couple of weeks in a fridge for several weeks and used daily if they don't get wet too often.

You can also put them in the freezer and leave them in there for years if you would like. To thaw simply get them out the night before training and let thaw in your garage, etc. if it's above freezing. Adjust time depending on how warm/cold is is outside.

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thanks! I can't wait to get at a few birds!!


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If its a puppy, you can just toss the wings a few yards. They won't go far as they don't weigh much. For dogs more than a few months old I would tape them with duct tape or athletic type tape to a bumper. After the dog is retrieving the "winged bumper" I would try to switch to pigeons if at all possible. Chukars if they are not. These both work well on land.

Next I would progress to small ducks, meaniong ducks raised for training or field use. They are not as old and therefore not as big as those raised to be consumed.

If your dog does not like retrieving ducks on land you can often get them started by retrieving them first in the water. Just be sure to greet the dog at the shore as the waterlogged birds will be very heavy and many dogs don't like to carry them very far ou of the water.

Keep it positive!

To store birds after you obtain them (dead) first make sure they are as dry as possible. hanging them up by the head or neck in a cool dry place with wind if possible is best. Wrap them with newspaper to dry them even more and then place in plastic bags.

They can be kept for a couple of weeks in a fridge for several weeks and used daily if they don't get wet too often.

You can also put them in the freezer and leave them in there for years if you would like. To thaw simply get them out the night before training and let thaw in your garage, etc. if it's above freezing. Adjust time depending on how warm/cold is is outside.

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Interesting thread....I could imagine my wife's face if she saw me throwing dead ducks around my yard.....hahaha....it's bad enough I want to teach my pup to catch fish for me.



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Wifes are generally more understanding than neighbors! BTW if getting ducks or pheasants is tough, you can find a farmer willing to part with chickens that are not too big. White birds can sure help a young dog use hits eyes to mark. They won't work too well in the water though!


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Interesting thread....I could imagine my wife's face if she saw me throwing dead ducks around my yard.....hahaha....it's bad enough I want to teach my pup to catch fish for me.
I have never taught one to catch fish for me--they just wade behind me or sleep in the drift boat, but a friend who was a guide in MI had a golden that was a great grouse and woodcock hunter. He taught his to fetch fish. Came in handy if he dropped one or if he just wanted to amuse us by having him pick up one he had spotted.
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Man, this thread got me psyched up for spring. Of course, we're getting 2-5 inches today .

Avery's worked a bit (to a good degree of success) tracking and retrieving a grouse-scented bumper, but I really can't wait to get her out in the field this spring and start flinging wings. I'm planning on either attaching them to a bumper and tossing them or using a fishing pole to "cast" them - she doesn't have that strong a retrieve yet.

If I'm primarily going to be hunting Grouse with her, and I'm training with Grouse/Chukar wings, should I be re-scenting them? Should I avoid using Duck or Pheasant wings?

So excited
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Man, this thread got me psyched up for spring. Of course, we're getting 2-5 inches today .

Avery's worked a bit (to a good degree of success) tracking and retrieving a grouse-scented bumper, but I really can't wait to get her out in the field this spring and start flinging wings. I'm planning on either attaching them to a bumper and tossing them or using a fishing pole to "cast" them - she doesn't have that strong a retrieve yet.

If I'm primarily going to be hunting Grouse with her, and I'm training with Grouse/Chukar wings, should I be re-scenting them? Should I avoid using Duck or Pheasant wings?

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I would tend to use pheasant wings then. Duck wings have much more scent.

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