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Originally Posted by MillionsofPeaches View Post
I get frustrated at the rules sometimes when it comes to "peeking" on blinds. So I watched a handler (very lets use the word, famous) get dropped on a blind because on a dike she blew the whistle and the dog slid down the other side due to the momentum he had. He climbed back up the dike on the other side just enough to pop his head up and wait for her cast. To me this shows signs of every trait you'd want in a dog. Intelligence, biddability, ect. The blind was super good too. But the judges said the dog coming back in even a few feet showed no progresses to the blind. I think this is BS. I've heard a bunch of folks discuss this topic. Some judges feel that this is in fact the correct way to judge others say no way would I drop a dog that came in a few steps to help his handler out and be ready to work with the handler on the blind.

What do you all think?
That's a gross over-interpretation of the rule! At the risk of being accused of plagiarizing, "I think this is BS."
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Originally Posted by K9-Design View Post
I finally started pressing the button with the come in whistle when my obstinate dog took to magically sitting precisely behind a hay bale or tree on a regular basis. It absolutely 100% was deliberate. Button pressing solved it.
That seems like risky advice to post on the internet.

Because this may to lead to "superstitious behavior" such as flaring hay bales, popping, no-goes, piggy running, etc. since the retriever is directly burned with come-in command. (Direct pressure)

Imagine a smart retriever that has been directly burned with a come-in whistle because he is behind a hay bale.
Next hunt test or field trial the blind is a tight keyhole blind between 2 hay bales.
Smart retriever flares the keyhole blind....

Use of an ecollar without preceding a command (direct pressure) is very risky unless
superstitious behavior is desired such as training a retriever to avoid snakes or porcupines.

A less risky approach is to use indirect pressure, always preceding any ecollar nick with a
known command such as sit-nick-sit.
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Dave your words are wise ---
Trust me I attritioned and indirect pressured this to death until I was just sick of the dog deliberately sitting behind trees and whatnot. A few very direct pressures let him know I was onto his game....

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